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Croatian AF To Acquire New Mi-17s - Finally  
User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Just read it in the news this morning (link to article, only in Croatian unfortunately):

Essentially, the Croatian AF will acquire 10-15 Mi-171Sh multi-puprose helicopters straight from the Ulan-Ude plant in Russia, as compensation for the former Soviet Union's debt to former Yugoslav countries. Final high-level negotiations are to start by the end of this month.

Of the total debt to Croatia, $65 million (roughly a third) are allocated for the helis. The "starting bid" is $7 million per helicopter and this includes spares, maintenance tools, test equipment, basic armament and crew training.

However, the AF is trying to negotiate more machines for less, and to equip them the best they can, given the $65 million limitation. Some additional modifications will be necessary, since the AF wants a type of navigation equipment (not specified in the article) that is not produced at the Ulan-Ude plant, and this will come out of the AF's own budget.

There are no specific dates, but the article states that the first helicopter will be due to arrive no more than 6 months after the start of production, with two additional being, I presume, ferried every 45 days.

The proposed machines will be virtually identical to the Czech airforce examples pictured below:

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No plane, no gain.
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User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

Very good. I didn't know that they still produce mil-17.
Nice helicopter. around 30000 produced

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12362 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 1):
I didn't know that they still produce mil-17.

That's what I thought, too. I thought the only helios Mi is still building is the Mi-6 and Mi-26, plus a few Mi-24s for the IAF.

User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5560 times:

They're still produced, although with quite a number of modifications as compared to the originals.

The current production ones have a few different designations (Mi-8MTV-5 and Mi-17-V5 for transport versions, and Mi-172 and Mi-17KF for the pax ones), though most people (at least here) refer to them simply as Mi-171s. The "plain" Mi-17 designation belongs to the export version of the Mi-8MTV-1 (which is, in itself, the old production model).

All new-build Mi-17s (or Mi-171s or whatever they're called ) are externally distinguishable by the flat, as opposed to the old clam-shell, rear ramp. Internally, they're equipped with some Western avionics (including even a glass cockpit in some versions) and new engines, while some versions dispensed with the glass nose altogether and have a solid metal one housing the wx radar and some other avionics.

You can find more info on them, as well as some pics, here: www.kazanhelicopters.com

EDIT: found one more site, that of the Ulan-Ude plant: http://www.uuaz.ru/eng/mi-171sh.htm

[Edited 2006-05-27 21:57:19]

No plane, no gain.
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 day ago) and read 5553 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
I thought the only helios Mi is still building is the Mi-6 and Mi-26

The Mi-6 production was ended in the 80s already ! But of course, the is the Mi-28 which has been selected by the Russian army.
The Mi-24/35 is also still produced, but not only for the IAF. IAF, do you mean Indian Air Force ?

Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 23 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Essentially, to prevent confusion, here's the breakdown of all Mi-8 and beyond versions:

- the basic transport version
- TV2-117 engines, manufacture started in 1963.
- easily distinguishable, since the tail rotor is on the right side of the fuselage (the only version having this setup)

- upgraded Mi-8T (M = modified)
- more powerful TV3-117 engines, tail rotor on the left for increased stability, marked air intakes and transmission from the Mi-14
- production started in 1975

- armed version of the Mi-8T (V = vooruzhonnyi = armed)

Mi-8MTV-1 / Mi-17 (export version):
- upgraded Mi-8TV

Mi-8MTV-5 / Mi-17MD / Mi-17-V5 / Mi-171Sh:
- current combat version
- TV3-177M engines
- straight rear ramp, with optional solid nose and EFIS flight deck, depending on equipment package
- has exhaust heat and flash supressors

Mi-8MTV-5-1 / Mi-17N:
- night version (N = noch = night)
- Mi-17-V5 equipped with FLIR

Mi-171 - new-build "straight" transport, similar to the Mi-8T

- standard series passenger version
- identifiable by its square windows, as opposed to the oval ones of the transport versions

Mi-172 / Mi-17KF:
- modernised pax version with Western avionics (upgraded by Kelowna Flightcraft)

- SAR version
- has an external sling and can drop radio beacons
- usually carries external tanks

- modified SAR version

- VIP transport (S = salon)

No plane, no gain.
User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

It will certainly help Croatian AF

they are doing well with current machines in cases when these are flyable

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but it will certainly rise operational capabilty and availability of helicopters since there were some problems with that recently

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