Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4406 times:
The only updates I've seen are several articles in the Indian press commenting on Boeing offering the Super Hornet. Nothing other than that....
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4209 times:
Quoting Tu204 (Reply 4): HAWK21M, how come the IAF is not looking at the MiG-29OVT?
Well they are certainly looking at the MiG-29M, which has many parts in common with the -29K they've ordered. And why shouldn't they consider the OVT ? You would believe they want the best aircraft on the market.
DEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4423 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3899 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
And also an Uninterrupted/Non Sactions Supply of Spares.Thats what gives the Russians & French an Edge.
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
If the US can give the same assurance.Maybe.
From what I gather, the F-16, although of the right size and capabilities (cost?) is out of the running because it is also operated by Pakistan, with two of the embargoed examples recently delivered. It appears a manufacturer cannot be a supplier to both countries at the same time. The Super Hornet, Typhoon and Rafale were added to the list although these are a bit heavier and in a different class as the Sukhois. From another thread, the Gripen seems to have lost favor - with the strongest contenders being the MiG and Mirage. As for sanctions, I don't know.
It could be seen as playing both sides on a field, and would make for a strenuous trust relationship between client and supplier. BTW, I had read pretty much the same conclusion re LM in another thread, although I can't remember which.
Sorry, I think you're in a better position than me to know that. Maybe others who regularly contribute to the Indian Aviation threads will have the information.
Thumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3722 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 5): Well they are certainly looking at the MiG-29M, which has many parts in common with the -29K they've ordered. And why shouldn't they consider the OVT ? You would believe they want the best aircraft on the market.
They may want the best aircraft out there but I doubt that the US is going to sell them any F-22's. I would think there best bet would be the Mig 's. Certainly not the Super Hornet.
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3719 times:
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 9): What is wrong with the CIS birds?
Nothing ! I meant that the MiG-29 is one of the best fighters on the market, not the opposite !
Quoting Thumper (Reply 17): They may want the best aircraft out there but I doubt that the US is going to sell them any F-22's.
I have my doubts about the F-22's capabilities. This focusing on stealth capabilities does not bring big advantages.
For the air superiority role, they have the Su-30MKI.
I meant they want the best aircraft in the light fighter market. In this category, IMO, the MiG-29OVT is the most agile aircraft, and the newer versions have much improved ground attack capabilities.
Art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2937 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3559 times:
Anyone know the prospects of the Typhoon / Rafale? If these are MiG21 replacements, what roles are assigned to the MiG's and what's the breakdown (eg 40% air defence / 60% ground attack)?
DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3507 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 18): I have my doubts about the F-22's capabilities. This focusing on stealth capabilities does not bring big advantages.
The F-22's "focus" is not on stealth. The F-22 project charter was to take everything good from the F-15 and improve where possible and add new tech to it. More stealth was added as it is to all new US fighter aircraft designs, as was supercruise, and thrust vectoring. If anything the latter two of the three was the focus, because stealth is a default requirement.
As for it not bringing big advantages, that is not correct at all.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3458 times:
Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 23): No decision has been made to export the F-22 to anybody, not even the UK or Israel.
Wasn't it offered during GWB visit to New Delhi this Year.
regds
MEL
Think of the brighter side!
25 Lumberton: Not as far as I know. I would have certainly remembered reading about this if it was published. I think this is still correct. My bet for the first f
27 DeltaDC9: More likely it was the F-35 or new F-15's. The new F-15's are superior to any F-15 we have right now in the US. I cant imagine the red tape involved
28 Lumberton: I may be misconstruing your post but if you mean a sale of the F-22, sorry, it won't happen soon, if ever. I suspect you know the politics better tha
29 HAWK21M: When is the US Cong deciding on the Ind-US Nuclear Deal..I think its this Tuesday. Is that correct. regds MEL
32 DeltaDC9: Singapore, I would have never thought of that one. I was thinking maybe Israel, Taiwan or South Korea though. This is partly based on who is getting
33 Lumberton: Personally, I don't think Israel is an "automatic" recipient anymore (note I didn't say "sale"). Taiwan, IMO, never happen. Of course they could affo
34 DeltaDC9: The unit costs go down as production numbers go up, but yes it is a put off. Personally, I wonder if this is is like the F-117, B1, B2, etc., somethi
35 DEVILFISH: In AirRyan's new thread, the ISDAF procurement chief mentioned that they would be happy to equip with 24 F-22s, but the US's refusal to sell and the
36 STT757: The only Country the US would/ is considering selling the F-22 to is Japan, Japan is the only Country who could use the F-22 to buffer against China'
37 HAWK21M: I think its high time Dimplomacy does not link Everything to Pakistan being India Centric. regds MEL
38 DEVILFISH: Update: U.S. House of Representatives Approves U.S.-India Nuclear Deal! It was only last Wednesday, July 26 that the measure was passed by a vote of
39 RAPCON: When an IAF Chief of Staff says that we can all call his bluff and say that he's full of s**t. The Indian military procurement process is slower than
40 DEVILFISH: Relative to Replies 7 and 28 in the Pakistan Arms Package ( Details Of Latest F-16 Offer To Pakistan... (by AirRyan Jul 7 2006 in Military Aviation &
41 Lumberton: Well, there is Qatar Airlines bring their A350 and 777 deals to closure....
42 HAWK21M: Two Steps to go.The Last one of GWB Signature should not matter so that leave One Step. regds MEL
43 RAPCON: India is a soverign country and can do what it wants, and purchase what weapons it likes. But India nees to understand that there are consequences to
44 DEVILFISH: That's certainly the kind of duplicity which could jeopardize this deal. It should be clear that it's not an "agreement at whatever cost." Although d
45 BarfBag: So, umm, why would US actually care to sell us anything when we're apparently neither so competent at procuring anything, nor inclined to toe the US l
46 RAPCON: India and the US are not "allies". Not by any stretch of the immagination. India and the US may have friendly, peaceful relations, but we are not all
47 Greaser: Right now, the US haS an amiable relation with them. Everyone knows when the shit hits the fan, India will not be behind us unless their interests ar
48 BarfBag: Excellent. And I agree that'll never be the case either. Therefore you agree that the US shouldn't go around making demands on how we run our ties wi
49 Greaser: The US, and ANY OTHER country will pressure any gov'ts decisions according to their global and local interests. Fact of life. India does it too.
50 BarfBag: Certainly, but nothing's going to come of it unless self interests coincide. The US has a traumatic history with Iran, and it tends to get extraordin
51 DEVILFISH: Aside from the business, it's in the US' interest that the things it is selling should go to those with a relatively democratic culture with which it
52 BarfBag: And we ought to expect the reverse in that case. In other words, a complete cessation of all arms sales to Pakistan. But that's hardly the case; the
53 HAWK21M: India is an Independant Nation that will take Desicions based on National Interest.It does not Matter what other countries want. regds MEL
54 DEVILFISH: The technology for the arms the US is selling to Pakistan are its own and did not come from India. Pakistan had been very cooperative with the US thu
55 RAPCON: And India is not the only buyer. Right next door, they just love to buy are stuff. I'm sure India will have no problem or objection to that, eh?
56 BarfBag: Indian asistance to Iran has no US component either. And Iran is a good friend. It's just the US that's enormously bet out of shape with them since t
57 Greaser: What do you think of their current chap? Surely he needs more than a good shave
58 RAPCON: Well since we're discussing personal appearance, I would also recommend that he consider purchasing some nicer shirts and some ties. Maybe A.Net can
59 DEVILFISH: The two companies' actions were in violation of existing agreement, per the article. You said the following..... Oh, the US does achieve what it want
60 BarfBag: I appreciate the US angst with them. If a nation kidnapped the personnel of their Indian embassy, consistently maintained a hostile position against u
61 HAWK21M: I think the Russians & French have the Edge. regds MEL
62 RAPCON: I sincerely hope so, and I'm looking fwd to the IAF buying from its regular source again. I would not want to have to give license production to the
63 BarfBag: Interesting perspective, and it reflects the lack of familiarity and the level of confidence that engenders, when it comes to with dealing with us. I
64 Lumberton: Is there a Request For Proposals, or similar document, that outlines the terms and conditions of the IAF fighter bid? If so, do they specify licensed
65 DEVILFISH: India's relationship with Iran is a requisite for harmonious, peaceful coexistence and is not equated to a manifestation of deep, widespread anti-US
66 RAPCON: It seems that with your perspective, one can safely reach the conclusion that the Indians are too used to pushing around the broke Russkies,and the m
67 Blrsea: Yes, please do that. And don't worry, the US tax payers will pay for it, as they have been doing for some time now with the $1.5 billion in defence a
68 RAPCON: Hey I'm all for that! India can keep buying planes with engines that just barely get 300hr TBO, tanks that cook their crews for lack of a/c, helos wi
69 BarfBag: RAPCON, do you seriously think you do the US or the American perspective any favours by compulsively belittling any person or entity that does not hol
70 DEVILFISH: Much as being that would help me, I'm still a Filipino immigrant here.
71 RAPCON: Dude we're all immigrants, but when we come here to the US, out of politeness, we leave the childish nationalism back in the "old country". Right Bar
72 DEVILFISH: Also out of politeness, I do not claim to be an American while there are still more than three years before I could file for citizenship, having been
73 HAWK21M: That Extra Baggage can cause te US Shivers in a few years if not curtailed regds MEL
74 Oroka: Allies should get top-of-the-line equipment, friends get the good stuff. No way in hell the IAF is getting F-22s, the US is having doubts of offering
75 Blrsea: And IAF is not looking for it either. It is too expensive for India.
76 Aseem: and ya F-22s are for poodles who do offer their peaceful army, but don't have transport aircraft to carry their men to site. And also for those who c
77 BarfBag: Nationalism is just a consequence of the presence of nation states. It merely serves as the expression of self interest on the part of those entities
78 HAWK21M: Whats the progress on this order. regds MEL
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