Lucifer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1392 times:
Leader is in charge and tells everyone else when to alter something etc. Flying is achieved through lining up certain features from the aircraft on which you are formating and keeping the perspective the same. Slick judgement and anticipation required throughout. Usually takeoff in pairs/threes and when coming in to land do a 'run and break' move, involving heading for runway but high, peeling off one by one to the downwind, and landing individaully.
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1357 times:
Thisdays aircraft are made to do many things only with their computer[part of avionics].So avionics help you with data measure distance to other a/c help you see in dark with IRSTs .After a one decade or even few years the pilot will be useless.
p.s. this is a computers world
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1351 times:
For air shows yes your eyes are just enaphe .But try to
fly in formation at night ,among the fog like on the assault missions.How your eyes will work than?
Pretty bad man.
p.s. remember when the two russian pilots wrecked themselves during one airshow[i don't remember which one, i watched in the amazing videous]
There was a cloud and one of them enter in it other decoded to believe his eyes unless his instruments and the other one didn't see his college when it came oit of cloud and 2 planes were destroyed.
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1343 times:
aircraft formating keeps their eyes on his navlights
You were joking right?
Else guys from air gefence will be happy to detect you even without a radar.Just imagine a/c with navlights during the night perfect target for the SAMs.
Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1338 times:
J.M.[hope you don't mind call you thatway]
NAvlights will help them very much .Air defence must turned off the radars when the a/c is close to them bedause for example they could you HARM and blow up the radar.Not good .Also during the clear night vanlights could be seen from a miles and your down man
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1336 times:
during a clear night NVGs and IR navlights can work wonders (and if the moon is out you might see your wingman in reflected moonlight even without them). You're clearly not reallly into modern equipment.
And before they had those means, they might use faint lights (navlights can be dimmed, or else a keep the instrument lights of the wingman in view...).
SAMs are sometimes optically guided, in which case it helps quite a lot if the target is visible D
JohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 332 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1304 times:
We never fly IMC formation flights in helicopters. At least not in my unit. That is a great way to meet your maker. We have a SOP for IMC formation breakup if we encounter clouds. As mentioned before, if NVGs are used, formation flight with no lights is no problem. It is easy to see the fire in the tailpipe of the guy in front of you, and for that matter the entire aircraft. If ground lights are encountered, it is best to be slightly below the aircraft in front of you, to keep lead above the horizon. Then you won't loose him in the ground lights and have a big problem. Our aircraft are not equipped with SKE (station keeping equipment) that some airlifters use.
JohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 332 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
Aircraft that are equipped with a station keeping system (SKE) do indeed use avionics to maintain position, even in IMC conditions. SKE for example will show your position in a formation and give cues to maintain position. To my knowledge used mainly in airlifters and larger helicopters. I don't know if the fighter world uses this system. Of course in good weather, the good old Mk 1 eyeball is the primary system used.