BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
Title says it all pretty much. They finally launched it and it failed after approximately 35 seconds. Haven't heard if it was a spectacular failure but this is likely.
Approximately 5 Scuds were launched at the same time - no clue what they were trying to accomplish with this other than possibly piss off Japan.
It should be very interesting to see how the North Korean government tries to spin this.
Baron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3060 times:
Lots of fireworks on the 4th of July - In addition to the space shuttle launch, North Korea launches 6 missiles and probably killed a lot of fish, since they all fell into the sea of Japan. Price of sushi will probably go down in Tokio.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29367 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3056 times:
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2937 times:
I'm curious: How many of you think that N. Korea purposely made these launches flop?? I mean, if I wanted to calm the nerves of my adversary, I'd try to make it 'look' like we didn't have our act together. Is N. Korea smart enough to use this kind of psychology??
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3): I'm curious: How many of you think that N. Korea purposely made these launches flop?? I mean, if I wanted to calm the nerves of my adversary, I'd try to make it 'look' like we didn't have our act together. Is N. Korea smart enough to use this kind of psychology??
No way in hell.
btw, they launched another today. Also, it turns out that they were stupid enough to crash one near(not sure exactly what this means) Russian territory. Not very shrewd on their part, if the permanent members of the Security Council are all pissed at them then they'll be in for a rough ride.
Quoting Baron95 (Reply 1): Price of sushi will probably go down in Tokio.
Can you get top dollar for fragged tuna. Maybe they killed a whale and Greenpeace will go after them.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 2): They need to change the name of the rocket, it is just two easy to drop the 1st, 3rd and 4th words of the title to come up with a dirty joke.
Some of the smaller missiles fired were Nodong models. You don't even have to do anything to that one to have a Beavis & Butthead moment.
DEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4451 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2829 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3): How many of you think that N. Korea purposely made these launches flop??
Even considering that the engineers and scientists working on those were probably paid a pittance by western standards, the costs of those projects to a country whose people had faced wide starvation were simply staggering, for them to intentionally sabotage its success just to please the West and put a spin on it. Besides, KJI's ego and the Nokors' national pride would countenance nothing short of an astounding display. Nobody would want to be in those technicians' and officers' positions right now.
Quoting SCEagle (Reply 5): What are the chances the US downed the rockets?
It was convincingly clear that the U.S. didn't have to think about it. The propaganda mileage KJI could have gained would be far damaging than letting them conduct the test unhampered.
The article referred to the smaller missiles as "Rodong." Anyway, the topic title is apt. It was a "long shot" - but we could not relax and rely on them failing on their next try.
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2530 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2799 times:
Let's just send some of our own armed ambassadors on a "Peacekeeping" mission of goodwill and let's offer some of our own nuclear ICBM's to North Korea (pointy-end first, of course) if they want nuclear missiles so bad.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3): How many of you think that N. Korea purposely made these launches flop?
I don't think that for a second. Although this TPD2 wasn't targeted towards the U.S., North Korea clearly intended to display some of it's range. It was a flop, pure and simple. I am surprised, though, that the Nokors haven't claimed that they flopped intentionally. I suspect that there is one or two rocket scientists packing for the North Korean version of the Gulag tonight.
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
MigFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2772 times:
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 9): I suspect that there is one or two rocket scientists packing for the North Korean version of the Gulag tonight.
I do not even think they will get a chance to pack. Off they go!!!
The amount of saber rattling on the part of KJI is only going to work against him. The said part is that his people will end up paying the price. I am actually quite suprised that N.Korea could not buy the talent to build the rockets properly. Iran, Pakistan, China, Former Soviet Republics have plenty of freelance talent for sale. I am not claiming that the citizens of these nations are all supporting terrorists aka "The Axis of Evil", but these are countries that were all working towards the same goal.
According to NY Times the US does have a missile defense system ready for use...
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
Quoting SCEagle (Reply 5): What are the chances the US downed the rockets?
Zero. If we could get in close enough to toast missiles at 40 sec into boost then SDI wouldn't be near as big of a challenge.
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7): but we could not relax and rely on them failing on their next try.
Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
Let this be a lesson to the Iranians about where they ought to be shopping and what wagon they're doing business out of.
If the best they can do is Dong technology, then what the rest of the world faces is Iranian built reverse engineered North Korean built reverse engineered Soviet built reverse engineered German V2 rockets with some modest improvements. Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.
Baron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2680 times:
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7): Nobody would want to be in those technicians' and officers' positions right now.
Don't you guys get it?
1 - The Taepo Dong missile launch failed.
2 - There were 5 main scientists/engineers in charge of the project.
3 - They quickly launch 5 additional scud missiles.
4 - Who do you supposed was strapped on the tip of those missiles?
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2627 times:
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12): f the best they can do is Dong technology, then what the rest of the world faces is Iranian built reverse engineered North Korean built reverse engineered Soviet built reverse engineered German V2 rockets with some modest improvements. Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.
You're right. It would be like trusting the logistics of your army to a LADA.
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3597 posts, RR: 21 Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2617 times:
Quoting Baron95 (Reply 13): Who do you supposed was strapped on the tip of those missiles?
Out of all the threads on the DPRK...I like this statement the best. Maybe that will prevent them from trying to build more.
Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Thread starter): It should be very interesting to see how the North Korean government tries to spin this.
They didn't. North Korean's don't even know that their government launched them. When the DPRK launched a TPD-1 in 1998, they shared it with the nation as a "gift from the Dear leader to raise their spirits on their march to a better socialist nation." But this time the leading story on the DPRK news was "Kim Jong Il Gives On-Site Guidance to New Pyongyang Taesong Tyre Factory"link...prepare to laugh or be confused by the language. (I have to read twice or three times to understand what the hell they are talking about.) Only recently did they make a statement that it was a regular test within the rights of the sovereign nation of North Korea. ie...We meant for them to fall into the sea. We meant for one to blow up after 35seconds.
Yeah and Kim Jong Il doesn't wear platform shoes.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2530 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2594 times:
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2550 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 16): hey didn't. North Korean's don't even know that their government launched them.
I knew that would be the case, I was curious how they would spin it to the outside world.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 16): Yeah and Kim Jong Il doesn't wear platform shoes.
Baron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2547 times:
What scares me the most, for the North Korean population, is when these fools start messing around with miniaturizing nukes to put on these missiles.
I can hear the discussion "But oh revered Kim Jong II, the nuke weights 1000 lbs but the missile can only lift 500 lbs" followed by some smart remark that "But oh revered Kim Jong II, the lead radiation shield weights 500 lbs, and if we deploy the warhead without the shield, it will fly to incinerate Japan and the US"
Anyway you get the picture, it will lead to more suffering, illness, birth defects to the North Korean people, to add to oppression, illiteracy and starvation, and god forbid, could lead to a serious nuclear industrial or military accident.
My heart goes out to the North Korean families. I'm more worried about then than the chances of this fool ever being able to get a functioning nuclear warhead outside his airspace.
DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12): Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.
You give them too much credit, where do you think all those vacume tubes went when we converted to transitors?
Also, how long will it take for someone to call it a Long Dong on TV?
Has anyone ever seen a picture from orbit of Korea? The south is lit up like a Christmas Tree right up to the border and the north is TOTALLY dark. Very telling. You can see the border perfectly.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2495 times:
Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 15): Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
f the best they can do is Dong technology, then what the rest of the world faces is Iranian built reverse engineered North Korean built reverse engineered Soviet built reverse engineered German V2 rockets with some modest improvements. Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.
You're right. It would be like trusting the logistics of your army to a LADA.
It's worse than that. It would be like trusting the logistics of your army to a Korean reverse engineered Chinese reverse engineered Soviet reverse engineered Studebaker Lend Lease Deuce and a half complete with split windshield and flathead six.
I believe the Chinese copy of the soviet copy of the Studebaker truck is still in production.
Rumor has it that North Korea is getting another Dong ready for a shot...this could be painted silver and thus the "Long Dong Silver"...or the "Rilly!Rilly!Huge Dong and we ain't kidding this time the last was a bluff but we'll knock your sox off this time!"
No sirree, no premature ejaculation from this Dong! You'll see!
Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
Ryan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
Sure North Korea has these missiles, but they have more of a scare value then anything else.
Some of the missiles they fired were the SS-1 Scud which has been around since the 1950s and has suspect guidance anyway.
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25 Okelleynyc: It looks like the TD2 was aimed toward Hawaii. Apparently, there was enough telemetry gathered to interpolate its trajectory. Guess KJI wanted to real
26 FVTu134: Well if they keep trying, they will be out of an inventory very soon. Maybe it's his own way of strategic disarmament.
27 PADSpot: What is the legal situation? Can I just shoot a missile over Japan without scratching Japans sovereignty? Does the missile has to have a minimum alti
28 DeltaDC9: NK signed missle and nuclear non proliferation agreements so there is nothing legal at all about what they did. There is a range limit in the agreeme
29 PADSpot: NK resigned from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003. But the development of missiles wasn't touched by it anyway. The Story with Iraq is co
30 DeltaDC9: They singed the ABM treaty too right? And just because one side does not live up to the agreement, that does not mean the agreement is not still in p
31 RAPCON: How's this headline: Limp performance from the "Type-o-Dong"??
32 PADSpot: From Wikipedia: The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM treaty or ABMT) was a treaty between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Soci
33 Dougloid: How about this: North Korean Dong Ejaculates Prematurely and Wilts.
34 DeltaDC9: You better do your research in another place. These treaties exist for many nations, including NK. Treaties cover all aspects of missile tech transfe
35 PADSpot: The missile launch moratorium was something they imposed on themselves after the launch of Taepodong 1 in 1998. Later they refrained from it again. B
36 DLSLC: Hahah that is hillarious! Nice one, perfect.
37 Oroka: How about 'N Korean Long Dong is a bit flop!'. Oh ABL, where are you?
38 Centrair: Tonight on Japanese TV they interviewed a former North Korean Missile researcher who had defected to the south. He said, "North Korean Missiles don't
40 Dougloid: Interesting observation. It's not as easy as it looks, I guess. Building a guidance system that can stand the acceleration and shock loads of a launc
41 Par13del: Here's something else to think about. Contrary to what some may want to accept, missle tech is rocket science. They got the worlds attention when they
42 PADSpot: Wow ... what an insight. Hilarious! Nice one ...
43 Centrair: It was on August 31st, 1998. There had been no tests since then. The fact that the DPRK didn't only launch the TPD2 but also 6 other missiles kind of
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