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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

These little suckers have been flying into PDX and parking at the FBO ramp for the last month. I know they are based at Beale AFB. My question is. Are they trainers for the U-2's?

Every time they come and go, we on the ramp start quoting stupid phrases from Top Gun.


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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I heard T-28's are used are proficiency trainers for B-2 crews at Whiteman AFB. So I would assume these are the same for the U-2 boys at Beale (so they dont forget what it's like to fly the more normal birds  Silly ). Plus I dont think the standard ones used for all the new Air Force pilots have such flashy paint jobs.


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User currently offlineSkyman From Germany, joined May 2006, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The Geman Air force uses the T-38 for advanced training of their new Torando or F-4 (not anymore now though) pilots. I guess they will also use them for pilots that are going to fly the Typhoon later.

User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 1):
I heard T-28's are used are proficiency trainers for B-2 crews

T-38s, maybe:

T-28:








T-38:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/t-38-ECN-4647.jpg


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User currently offlineFVTu134 From Russia, joined Aug 2005, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Actually the BB T-38' were never used for the movie flying. Those were aggressor F-5E and F'. Which also used to be based at Miramar. T-38 belongs to the same family though.

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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):
T-38s, maybe:

well that's just embarrassing  blush  definitely did NOT mean T-28's and I have no idea where that came from. Thanks



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Why does that T-38 have four Iron Crosses on the tail? Has the USAF been hunting Germans again?  Wink


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User currently offlineHemispheres From United States of America, joined May 2004, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
Why does that T-38 have four Iron Crosses on the tail? Has the USAF been hunting Germans again?

Don't know but the Holloman ones have 3 little arrows... Or maybe they're little F-117's.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Can somebody please explain why the title of the tread is MIG-28 when the discussion is about T-38s ?


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User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In the motion picture, Top Gun, the Soviet adversaries were portrayed by F-5s painted all black with Soviet-style, Red Stars for national insignia, and where called "Mig-28s". The initial picture of the thread show a T-38, a stablemate of the F-5, painted all-black with red markings. That particular T-38 is attached to a USAF reconaissance squadron, and is used for pilot proficiency, and chase duties. Many USAF units have T-38s for this purpose and often paint them in their squadron's c/s.

The title is a play on words with a little movie trivia thrown in....

There is no such thing as a Mig-28. Migs usually have a numeric designation based on an odd number. Exceptions;

Mig-24, a modified version of the Mig-23BN for East Germany.
Mig-30: a proposed export version of the Mig-29.

/M


User currently offlineN911ME From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The Holloman T-38s have little F-117s on the tail because they are used as proficiency trainers for the 49th Fighter Wing's Nighthawks, much as the boys at Beale used T-38s for U-2 proficiency flights.

The MiG-28s had black latex paint applied over their normal camouflage MIG schemes such as that displayed by all Miramar and VFA-127 aggressors of the period.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I'd say an F-20 Tigershark would have been a more convincing MiG-28 (simply because most people don't know about it) and a far more formidable aggressor adversary. Alas, it's no longer around. But I'm confident production special effects people could put together realistic sequences based on the surviving prototype in the museum and film footage of the accident investigation. I often wonder how a radically updated Tigershark would fare against, say, a Block 60 Desert Falcon. Top Gun III anyone?

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User currently offlineMigFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The F-20, the most famous fighter that never was...

/M


User currently offlineSkyman From Germany, joined May 2006, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
Why does that T-38 have four Iron Crosses on the tail

I don`t know why but they are not Iron Crosses. The Iron Cross is a medal. Those symbols are normal German Crosses which the German Forces use.

Quoting Migfan (Reply 9):
Mig-24, a modified version of the Mig-23BN for East Germany.

Didn`t East Germany get the MIG-23MF "Flogger B"?


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Skyman (Reply 13):
Quoting Migfan (Reply 9):
Mig-24, a modified version of the Mig-23BN for East Germany.

Didn`t East Germany get the MIG-23MF "Flogger B"?

Maybe both. BN is for ground attack, MF is air-to-air.



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User currently offlineMigFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The Mig-24 was a modified version of the Mig-23BN, that permitted the carriage of nuclear weapons. East Germany operated the Mig-23MF, ML, BN, UB, and small numbers of the nuclear capable, Mig-24.

/M


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

For those interested, the Sep 2006 issue of Airpower has a lengthy article on the "reel life" MiG-28 by the scriptwriter and author David Baranek, taken from his book Top Gun Days showing photos of the "actor" a/c with peeling black paint.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Migfan (Reply 9):
In the motion picture, Top Gun, the Soviet adversaries were portrayed by F-5s painted all black with Soviet-style, Red Stars for national insignia, and where called "Mig-28s".

All Mig fighters traditionally had odd numbers.

You have to remember that when Top Gun came out the Mig-29 and SU-27 hadn't been seen yet.

So for the public the big bad mig was the Foxbat or Mig-25.

Going to the Mig-28 gave the producers a way to show a "New" mig that Maverick and Goose get to view at 4 meters...maybe 4 and half.



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