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Boeing Tells Usaf The C-17 Line Is Closing  
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12414 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

From Seattle-PI:

Quote:
The Boeing Co. told the Air Force that it's shutting down the C-17 transport production line because the service does not plan to buy additional aircraft.

The company has enough orders to keep its Long Beach, Calif., plant open through the end of 2008 but will start informing its suppliers Aug. 18 "to stop work and begin the shutdown process," Boeing C-17 manager David Bowman wrote Monday to Air Force officials.

So, is this a negotiating ploy, or is the real thing?


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

My be bluster - but isn't this built at Long Beach which Boeing want to sell off for re-development?

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12414 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

Yes, it is built at Long Beach. I'm sure Boeing would rather have an order to build another 120 or so of them, but they won't keep the doors opened forever waiting for the orders. As you say, land in Long Beach is very valuable and selling it would get a lot of underutilized capital off the books.


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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6203 times:

If the line shuts, could the tooling be stored and the line re-opened elsewhere if more orders materialize a few years hence?


"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6165 times:

Well Australia, Canada, and the UK have their orders coming in and/or done so the USAF is most likely the only other candidate. By 2010 I would expect new condos and retail to be going up in Long Beach.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
My be bluster - but isn't this built at Long Beach which Boeing want to sell off for re-development?

Boeing is selling off the commercial side of it's operations at LGB. The C-17 line is on the other side of the field up against the 5 freeway. If I'm not mistaken Boeing would have to get permission from the DOD before it were to sell of the C-17 facility.


User currently offlineCTR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

McDonnell Douglas considered selling the Long Beach facility 15 years ago, but the EPA put a halt to it.

Before selling the Long Beach property, Boeing will have to decontaminate the soil of oil, solvent and who knows what polution that has been accumulating for over 50 years. This will cost a fortune.

Have fun,

CTR



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

Quoting CTR (Reply 6):
Before selling the Long Beach property, Boeing will have to decontaminate the soil of oil, solvent and who knows what polution that has been accumulating for over 50 years. This will cost a fortune.

Have fun,

It's Southern California. You wouldn't even have to bother with a "for sale" sign...


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting CTR (Reply 6):
Before selling the Long Beach property, Boeing will have to decontaminate the soil of oil, solvent and who knows what polution that has been accumulating for over 50 years. This will cost a fortune.

That's what they are doing as we speak, or type in this case.

http://www.douglaspark.org/


User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5836 times:

Um......it's the 405 that borders the C-17A factory.

Yes, when the doors close after the current orders are filled then the C-17A facilities will meet the same fate as the commercial side.......land used for mixed commercial and residential.......and Boeing still makes money as they collect the rent checks.

It will be a sad day for us here in Long Beach when Boeing shuts down the last of the great Douglas line......its full intention since 1997.

Mike
Dacman
LGB/LAX Local



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

Quoting Dacman (Reply 9):
Um......it's the 405 that borders the C-17A factory.

You are correct. Having driven that route for a year and a half you figure I would have remebered that!


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5773 times:

Quoting Dacman (Reply 9):
Um......it's the 405 that borders the C-17A factory.

Yes, when the doors close after the current orders are filled then the C-17A facilities will meet the same fate as the commercial side.......land used for mixed commercial and residential.......and Boeing still makes money as they collect the rent checks.

It will be a sad day for us here in Long Beach when Boeing shuts down the last of the great Douglas line......its full intention since 1997.

Mike
Dacman
LGB/LAX Local

Right on, DACman....I've done my grieving and bitching-my subconscious finally got around to telling me that it was over so I blogged about it June 20..... Talk about a fucking train wreck in slo mo....I still wear my Local 148 pin...

http://cornponepapers.blogspot.com/

Long Beach and the surrounding areas have not been well served by their representatives in Congress...when I lived there Todd was going under and nobody gave a rat's ass about the worker bees. CARB did in all the furniture factories up north Long Beach and south central way a long time ago. I think the Long Beach Naval Shipyard is gone. Feinstein and Boxer haven't done a thing to save the goddamn jobs and never did. Coupla dumb cunts if you ask me-fer chrissakes I live in Iowa now...2.5 million people in the whole state and we've got more horsepower in Washington with Harkin and Grassley than the entire state of California.

Hell, do you know I've got a Douglas vendor's manual somewhere? Douglas wanted to get down to 3,000 vendors-the multiplier effect was phenomenal. They had small job shops all over the area that had been happily turning out parts since the 1940s. The social scientists tell us that one good job produces another two or three in the community.

That's over on the north side of the airport where all those cool old oil patch people did business. there were a couple magneto shops over there back in the day, Steward Davis, Rajay and I don't know who all else were on Daugherty Field.

It IS Earl Daugherty Field, by the way.


User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5738 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
So, is this a negotiating ploy, or is the real thing?

It's only Boeing crying wolf, so that the USAF can go off like chicken little to Congress screaming that if more C-17's aren't ordered the whole World is going to come crashing down.

Guess what? It'll probably work. USAF will get the OK to order more (and who knows, maybe France will wake up and order C-17's too--just like they finally broke down and bought a bit more than a dozen 130's).



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5712 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
I think the Long Beach Naval Shipyard is gone.

The Long Beach Naval Shipyard has been closed for around ten years now.


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 12):
, maybe France will wake up and order C-17's too-

I'm curious as to why Japan isn't on the "short list"? I would have thought they'd be interested in a squadron?



"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineCTR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5702 times:

LMP737,

Thanks for the link. Interesting explanation on pollution in the FAQ site:

Q. Is the soil on the site safe for homes, schools, and businesses?
A. As one would expect of a 60-year old manufacturing facility, the site does have environmental contamination that requires remediation. Active characterizations and remediation have been ongoing since 1997. These efforts have resulted in the Regional Water Quality Control Board granting "no further action" letters for a majority of the commercial and residential property currently being redeveloped. Groundwater remediation will continue for many years to come.

I am sure this will be on the front page of every new home brochure
 biggrin 

Have fun,

CTR



Aircraft design is just one big compromise,,,
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting CTR (Reply 15):
Thanks for the link. Interesting explanation on pollution in the FAQ site:

Having worked both military and commercial aviation, including time at Long Beach, and listened to the stories from the old timers about what they used to do I would be a bit hesitant to buy a home at a former a/c manufacturing site of military base. But that's just me.  Wink


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

I thought the Douglas park project only included the B-717-200 (MD-95) facilities, not the C-17A facilities (on the other side of the airport)?

http://www.douglaspark.org/about_location.html

See the maps at the bottom of the page.


User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 14):
I'm curious as to why Japan isn't on the "short list"? I would have thought they'd be interested in a squadron?

JSDF is restricted by constitution to operate within a 600 nm radius of Japan --exception is "humanitarian missions" such as Cambodia or Iraq (they only provide civil engineering troops so it's considered "humanitarian".

So for such a small OPAREA, a 130-type is ideal.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 12):
Guess what? It'll probably work. USAF will get the OK to order more (and who knows, maybe France will wake up and order C-17's too--just like they finally broke down and bought a bit more than a dozen 130's).

The French could do a lot worse than the C17. There's nothing out there in current production from reliable sources that'll haul an all up main battle tank ready to rock, and operate out of a 5,000 foot unimproved field at the same time. The A400M won't do that and it's still only a gleam in Airbus' eye.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
I thought the Douglas park project only included the B-717-200 (MD-95) facilities, not the C-17A facilities (on the other side of the airport)?

Yes, the Douglas Park project is for the commercial side of Boeing operations at LGB. When I said military bases I was refering to places like MCAS El Toro.


User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 4):
Well Australia, Canada, and the UK have their orders coming in and/or done

Canada has yet to finalize any orders on C-17s, though I can't see the C-17 having any serious competitors. The AN-124 would be a real longshot.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/view_news_e.asp?id=1969



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Boeing ups the ante..... AF,+warning+international+orders+insufficient+for+continued+production.html" target=_blank>http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ient+for+continued+production.html

Would USAF bite?



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User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

Quoting Stormbringer (Reply 21):
Canada has yet to finalize any orders on C-17s

Just working out the details!



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User currently offlineFlynlr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
Boeing is selling off the commercial side of it's operations at LGB. The C-17 line is on the other side of the field up against the 5 freeway. If I'm not mistaken Boeing would have to get permission from the DOD before it were to sell of the C-17 facility.

you mean the 405 freeway right? the 5 is several miles away  Silly



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25 EBJ1248650 : Makes more sense that Boeing would approach the AF and ask if there are intentions to buy more C-17s. Get the AF answer first then declare intent to
26 Kaitak : Interesting report in Flight International this week; August 18th - or Thursday week - appears to be D Day for the C-17. Other sales are being looked
27 Texfly101 : Yes, that's one of the options. Its being described as a "warm line" in which the tooling will be stored rather than destroyed, and certain suppliers
28 ElmoTheHobo : Sad yes, though I doubt Boeing wanted to kill the C-17. They make a killing off each of them - something in the ballpark of $200 Million each. Now th
29 KC135TopBoom : This puts the USAF in a barrel, too. With the thought of a C-17 line shut down, USAF will have to decide what airplane is needed more. The USAF wants
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