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User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7072 times:

Atlantis moves from its hanger to the VAB today, 7/24. Let's hope for another great flight about August 28th..hope to be on the mound for it.
TPAnx


I read the news today..oh boy
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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 7045 times:

yes me again.

pretty obvious question this time, why have we just had STS-121 then its going on to STS-115?????? whats the reasoning behind the numerical designation


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 7044 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 1):
pretty obvious question this time, why have we just had STS-121 then its going on to STS-115?????? whats the reasoning behind the numerical designation

I believe that the numbers represent the order that the missions were originally planned to go up - quite often one mission will slip (eg due to satelite not being ready) and a differant mission will go before it but the numbers remain the same.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 7040 times:

i see. so we have STS-116, STS-117, STS-118, STS-119, STS-120 all still to come?

i haven't seen many shuttle launches I'm afraid. first one i can actually remember was Columbia blowing up.

odd how you can remember exactly what you were doing when something bad happens isn't it. normally have a memory like a fish but i remember i was playing a computer game while watching sky news for the shuttle landing. weird thing is i can remember the level i was on and even the position i was in... but i digress

and i think its only been discovery from then??? Atlantis will be a nice change!


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7030 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 3):
i see. so we have STS-116, STS-117, STS-118, STS-119, STS-120 all still to come?

Yes, out of -115 to -124 only -121 was non ISS assembly, so it made sense for a test flight to utilise that mission.


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 1):
why have we just had STS-121 then its going on to STS-115?????? whats the reasoning behind the numerical designation

NASA officially assigns STS mission numbers about a year out. Before that, the numbers are only planning numbers and can be changed as necessary. After the STS number is formally assigned, official documentation starts to be built saying, for example, STS-115 will be carrying the Integrated Truss segment P3 and P4. To change the numbers after that point would be expensive, time consuming, and possibly risky (i.e., a part meant for P3/P4 doesn't get on Atlantis because the mission had been redesignated STS-116, but some subcontractor didn't get the memo.)

STS-121 was added to the Shuttle schedule after the Columbia accident when it became clear that all of the Return-to-Flight activities couldn't be achieved on a single Shuttle mission. There were too many spacewalks to test tile repairs, and the Space Station needed more resupply than one mission could handle. STS-121 was added to the Shuttle schedule after STS-115, STS-116, STS-117, STS-118, STS-119, and STS-120 had already gotten their formal mission numbers.

STS-114 was already a resupply mission so it was fairly easy to add many of the Return-to-Flight requirements to that mission. But STS-115 is carrying P3/P4 and was already maxed out on Shuttle payload capability (so much so that it is only carrying six crew instead of seven.) Adding the second half of the Return-to-Flight activities to STS-115 was out of the question, so NASA inserted a new mission between STS-114 and STS-115, and assigned it the first mission number that hadn't already been firmly assigned: 121.

NASA also sometimes changes the order of future missions in order to meet payload requirements. STS-119, for example, has been pushed back until after STS-124 (and probably STS-125, if the Hubble mission is approved) to get the European and Japanese Space Station modules up sooner.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

a happy array of future shuttle missions then.

now.. if something was to go wrong again, obviously we all hope it wont. if another shuttle was too be dispatched, what would happen. im just guessing that if another orbiter was lost the whole idea would be scrapped?? are there any shuttle replacements in the pipeline. going to be built and tested any time soon. or are they just going to cross the bridge when they come to it.


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 3):

and i think its only been discovery from then??? Atlantis will be a nice change!

Atlantis was supposed to fly STS-121, back when launch was planned for September, 2005. The long delay caused by foam problems and Hurricane Katrina allowed NASA to substitute Discovery and save Atlantis for the heavier STS-115.

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 6):
if another shuttle was too be dispatched, what would happen. im just guessing that if another orbiter was lost the whole idea would be scrapped??

NASA Administrator Griffin said last month that another major accident, fatal or not, would probably lead him to recommend shutting down the Space Shuttle Program. (Although I highly doubt the decision would be his to make, Congress would probably balk at continuing it.)

Technically, there is no particular reason a two-Orbiter fleet couldn't finish out the program.

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 6):
are there any shuttle replacements in the pipeline.

No. After the Columbia accident, Boeing made a very interesting proposal to build a fleet of Mk.II Space Shuttles, using the same aerodynamic design as the Enterprise-class, plus all of the upgrades made to them over the years, but with a radically improved internal and engineering design. NASA declined the offer.

The Shuttle's successor for human spaceflight is the Crew Exploration Vehicle, rumored to about to be named "Project Orion". Orion will be launched on a new rocket based on the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Booster and called Ares I. Cargo missions to the Space Station are to be delegated to commercial operators.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Quoting Thorny (Reply 7):
same aerodynamic design as the Enterprise-class

i take it you dont mean....

doo dooo dee dee de dooo doooooo?



when is this orion due to be blasted? or let alone built


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 8):
i take it you dont mean....

Warp speed, Scotty!

Okay, technically the existing Shuttle Orbiters are the OV-1xx series. Boeing offered to build a better OV-2xx series. I occasionally refer to the OV-1xx series after the first vehicle in the class, Enterprise (OV-101.)

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 8):
when is this orion due to be blasted?

NASA wants to minimize the gap between Shuttle retirement and first flight of Orion. Shuttle's retirement in 2010 seems pretty firm, but first flight of Orion is all over the map. Probably 2013. Slim chance of 2012. NASA would like 2011, but they haven't even selected the winning contractor yet (that's scheduled for September, but there are rumors of yet another delay.)

The current likely schedule is for abort test launches using boilerplate spacecraft (structurally accurate and correctly balanced mockups) atop surplus MX missiles in late 2008. First flight of the Ares I in 2009 (with a dummy upper stage and another boilerplate) and all-up in 2010, probably as a high-altitude abort test. There will be at least one unmanned orbital flight, probably in 2012, followed by first manned flight (going to ISS) in 2013. Additional funding, which some in Congress are championing, could accelerate that timetable a little, but not a lot.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

Quoting Thorny (Reply 9):
Boeing offered to build a better OV-2xx series.

Out of interest, considering Boeing only gained its Shuttle experience through the purchase of the Rocketdyne section of Rockwell in 1996, how much of that experience was retained considering there had been no major structural development on a Shuttle airframe since Endeavour was constructed? Was this a factor in turning down an OV-2xx?


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6939 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 10):
Boeing only gained its Shuttle experience through the purchase of the Rocketdyne section of Rockwell in 1996,

Well, Rocketdyne was the engine division of Rockwell. The Shuttles (and B-1s) came from the North American division. Boeing still occasionally mentions the North American name, but it seems to be moribund.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 10):
Was this a factor in turning down an OV-2xx?

No, after Columbia, NASA (read Sean O'Keefe) seems to have run as fast and as far as it could from anything with wings. Even the Orbital Space Plane (which could probably have been now close to making its first flight, alas) was killed in favor of the semi-ballistic capsule approach of CEV, and OSP was just a lifting body, not a winged ship. No matter, simple and reliable was the order of the day. Boeing's Orbiter Mk.II never had a chance, but an OV-2xx series using Liquid Flyback Boosters, well... its interesting to think what a system like that would have been capable of.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

Quoting Thorny (Reply 7):
After the Columbia accident, Boeing made a very interesting proposal to build a fleet of Mk.II Space Shuttles, using the same aerodynamic design as the Enterprise-class, plus all of the upgrades made to them over the years, but with a radically improved internal and engineering design

Is there anywhere I could find more information on such a vehicle or did it never reach the public domain?


User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6930 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12):
Is there anywhere I could find more information on such a vehicle or did it never reach the public domain?

It was reported in the trade paper Space News circa Jul 2003. The article might be available in the archives of its online partner Space.com.


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2462 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6869 times:

Quoting TPAnx (Thread starter):
Let's hope for another great flight about August 28th..hope to be on the mound for it.

Garh! I think that might be when I have to go with my school to some outdoor camp before classes start for a couple of days!  melting 

Quoting Thorny (Reply 7):
No. After the Columbia accident, Boeing made a very interesting proposal to build a fleet of Mk.II Space Shuttles,

Speaking of new shuttles...anyone ever see the movie Armeggedon? It's with Bruce Willis and stuff where they have to fly to this asteroid and destroy it before it hits earth...well anyways you guys remember those 2 special kind of space shuttles they used? If Nasa wanted to could they building something just like that and send it to the moon and back instead of this new Crew Exploration Viechle, or after this will we never see a new Space Shuttle type of thing for Nasa?



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User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 14):
anyone ever see the movie Armeggedon? It's with Bruce Willis and stuff where they have to fly to this asteroid and destroy it before it hits earth...well anyways you guys remember those 2 special kind of space shuttles they used? If Nasa wanted to could they building something just like that and send it to the moon and back instead of this new Crew Exploration Viechle,

It's all about weight, or rather mass. The Shuttle Orbiters weigh 180,000 lbs. or so empty. The entire Apollo 17 stack (Command Module and Lunar Module) was only 110,000 lbs. or so. Every pound you send to escape velocity generally requires about 2 pounds of fuel for the burn (the S-IVB stage on Apollo was around 200,000 lbs.) Yes, you could probably come up with a way to fly the Shuttles to the Moon if you really wanted to, but it would be horribly inefficient, and the standard Shuttles would have to get even heavier, due to stronger heat shield materials and deep space comm, etc. Even CEV seems to be a little on the heavy side for what it is meant to do.

And of course, "Armageddon's" Freedom and Independence were strictly Hollywood creations, with the infinite fuel capacity that is standard for Hollywood spacecraft (but hey, they filled up with more LOX at the Russian Space Station!). A much more realistic depiction of a deep space manned spacecraft for that purpose is the Messiah in "Deep Impact", and even that is pretty Hollywood-ized. At least it didn't defy the laws of physics very seriously.


User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6808 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
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The 15 remaining scheduled ISS shuttle missions, including target
launch date, orbiter to be used and planned cargo. The Hubble mission
has not been scheduled:
Aug. 28: Atlantis. STS-115. Truss segment, solar arrays.
Dec. 14: Discovery. STS-116. Truss segment, cargo module.
Feb. 22, 2007: Atlantis. STS-117. Truss segment, solar arrays.
June 11, 2007: Endeavour. STS-118. Truss segment, cargo module.
Aug. 9, 2007: Atlantis. STS-120. Node 2 attachment point for two more
science labs.
Sept. 27, 2007: Discovery. STS-122. European Columbus science laboratory.
Nov. 29, 2007: Endeavour. STS-123. First of three parts of Japanese
science lab and Canadian robotic hand.
Feb. 7, 2008: Atlantis. STS-124. Japanese Kibo Experiment Module and robot arm.
June 19, 2008: Endeavour. STS-119. Truss segment, solar arrays.
Aug. 21, 2008: Atlantis. STS-126. Cargo module.
Oct. 30, 2008: Discovery. STS-127. Exposed modules for Japanese lab.
Jan. 22, 2009: Endeavour. STS-129. Cargo module and crew quarters for
three more permanent ISS crew.
April 30, 2009: Discovery. STS-129. Station equipment and spare parts.
Oct. 22, 2009: Discovery. STS-131. Cargo holding racks.
Jan. 21, 2010: Endeavour. STS-132. Node 3 and cupola.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3685 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

What will happen once the station is completed with the last shuttle mission? Will the US then rely on the russians to get their people on the ISS?

I understand that the shuttle will be retired in 2010, but this means that a completed space station cannot be supported by the USA for three years?

Will there be missions planned for the shuttle successor to the ISS?


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2462 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
What will happen once the station is completed with the last shuttle mission? Will the US then rely on the russians to get their people on the ISS?

I think that before that Crew Exploration Viechle starts headin for the moon it will be making flights to the ISS with supplies and to change astronauts aboard the ISS. I'm guessing they will still keep flying to resuply the ISS.

- So does anyone think we'll ever see some kind of new space shuttle type thing from Nasa or is it justgonna be regular rocket from now on?



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User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

Quoting Eksath (Reply 16):
The Hubble mission
has not been scheduled:

It has a placeholder on STS-125 in April, 2008 on Discovery.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
What will happen once the station is completed with the last shuttle mission? Will the US then rely on the russians to get their people on the ISS?

Yes, the U.S. Congress amended the Iran Nuclear Nonproliferation Act last year to allow NASA to purchase flights on Soyuz through 2012.

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 18):

I think that before that Crew Exploration Viechle starts headin for the moon it will be making flights to the ISS with supplies and to change astronauts aboard the ISS.

That's the plan. Don't hold your breath, though.


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2462 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Quoting Thorny (Reply 19):
Don't hold your breath, though.

Hey, I'd rather have a shuttle be flyin up there instead of some little spacecraft anyways.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

NASA has officially advanced the launch of STS-115 one day, to August 27.
The move was made possible after studying lighting conditions at External Tank seperation, a requirement for this mission due to post-Columbia safety rules.

Launch is now scheduled for 4:30pm, Sunday, August 27.


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2462 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

Looks like the shuttle is gonna roll out to the launch pad Monday.

[Edited 2006-07-29 17:29:44]


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User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6675 times:

Rollout was scheduled for midnight Sunday/ Monday. The weather gods did not smile.  raincloud  Heavy rain and lightning have delayed rollout to later Monday at the earliest.
TPAnx



I read the news today..oh boy
User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Another weather delay..they'll try again before sunrise on Wednesday  crossfingers 
TPAnx



I read the news today..oh boy
25 Post contains links TPAnx : "Atlantis" is at the pad...details here: http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/15179602.htm TPAnx
26 PhatAlbert : Hey Thorny You work for NASA, do research ALOT, or what .. lol you seem to be pretty intelligent about these shuttles and program.. just wondering?
27 TPAnx : Have wondered the same. Crew due at KSC Monday for countdown rehearsal, emergency procedures check, suit tests etc. TPAnx
28 TPAnx : Guess he (Thorny) won't tell us. NASA has discovered that the bolts holding a key antenna in the cargo bay may not be the right bolts. Whether they wi
29 Post contains images Thorny : Nope, not a NASA or contractor employee. I just grew up around all this stuff and read wayyyyy too much. Actually, I was on vacation the last two wee
30 TPAnx : NASA clears "Atlantis" for flight on the 27th,4:30 PM EDT. TPAnx
31 TheSonntag : Time to start betting how many delays we will see this time... I think 3 times due to weather, 2 times due to security reasons.
32 TedTAce : I really hope you are wrong, because a Sunday launch would be a great way to end the weekend. elsewise, I'm going to have to leave work early on Mond
33 TPAnx : Some weekend work for the techs..they're going to replace the two "short" bolts on the KU antenna in the cargo bay. Won't interfere with the start of
34 RichPhitzwell : Is it possible to launch two Orbiters at the same time or back to back by an hour or so?
35 TedTAce : My initial reaction was a casual not safely, which means it will never happen. Then I thought about it and it's beyond my ability to concieve that th
36 Mke717spotter : I'm hoping for no delays since on the 28th I have to leave with my whole highschool to some outdoors camp in northern Wisconsin for 4 days.
37 TedTAce : (Below is paraphrase, not his original words) I have gotten word from SATL382G that the LCC was designed for 3 launches. Apparently there there was su
38 Thorny : Theoretically, yes. But they'd be pushing the system harder than ever before and its a very bad idea. For practical purposes, the closest you'd proba
39 RichardPrice : Question, is there access to the shuttles cargo bay while its standing at the pad?
40 TedTAce : Absolutely. That's why there was even talk of replacing the k- band antenna's bolts. Usually that structure is moved back a few days before launch. P
41 RichPhitzwell : Im confused (as usual), is the final verdict that it is possible to launch multiple orbiters at the same time, just a very bad idea? On this same topi
42 RichardPrice : Vandenburg was the location for polar launches, but only Enterprise was ever setup on a stack there and that was only for testing (obviously as Enter
43 RichardPrice : Thanks, that answers my question.
44 Thorny : I don't know of anything that would specifically prevent launches on the same day. There might be details such as the amount of Liquid Hydrogen that
45 RichardPrice : Well technically you can, but only in an 'opposite' orbit. This raises the question of whether the Shuttle stack contains enough fuel to attempt such
46 Post contains links and images TedTAce : They got the antenna Bolts changed, looks like so far so good http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14439975/from/RS.3/
47 Eksath : Here is the SOP for any who is planning to visit for the launch. Good luck. NASA RELEASE: 53-06 AIRSPACE, BRIDGES AND WATERWAY RESTRICTIONS IN EFFECT
48 Chksix : National asset is truly an understatement! I hope the flight can make this window and avoid a scrub.
49 Post contains images TPAnx : Countdown started this evening. Weather types say there's a 70 per cent chance of conditions which will allow tanking..and launch. Says weather in the
50 TPAnx : No tech issues as of Friday evening. "Go" weather probability drops to 60 per cent from 70 per cent, TPAnx
51 Post contains links TedTAce : 24 Hour hold: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14514747/
52 Post contains images TPAnx : From another AP story: Engineers wanted time to pore over data on ground and flight systems. They planned to focus on backup power lines on the shuttl
53 Thorny : Launch is now planned for no earlier than Tuesday, per SpaceflightNow.com and Florida Today. Official announcement by NASA expected this afternoon. Bu
54 TPAnx : Go-no go decision now delayed until Monday morning. My money's on no go..and back to the VAB. TPAnx
55 Centrair : So...how many times have US space craft been struck by lightning on the pad. Apollo 12 and This shuttle? Any others? Hope things get better over there
56 Post contains images TPAnx : Projected track takes the storm over south Florida, over Lake Okeechobee, and due north. Tuesday's launch attempt is scrubbed...managers deciding whet
57 Thorny : An Atlas-Centaur was destroyed shortly after launch in 1987. Note that the Shuttle wasn't struck by lightning... the launch pad was. The Lightning Pr
58 Alessandro : Are there any stats on the net how often the Space shuttles launches get delayed?
59 Thorny : No, but I might be able to come up with something myself. There are numerous variations, such as... a) Launches delayed before the countdown begins b
60 Alessandro : Thorny, I would be glad if you did, thanks in advance.
61 Sphealey : How long does it take to drive the Shuttle back from the pad to the VAB? My understanding was that the crawler is not very fast; I was wondering when
62 Thorny : 6 hours to Pad A from either High Bay 1 or 3 (east-facing), 8 hours to Pad B. Going to the Safe Haven (west-facing High Bay 2, parking area but no as
63 Chksix : It's sad that the vehicle can't be completely enclosed at the pad. There were suggestions to build a RSS for the rear of the pad too but it got cancel
64 Gary2880 : that doesn't sound like a particularly good thing at all hope it doesnt get zapped all this rolling out, rolling half way back, then rolling back to
65 Thorny : Just for those who didn't hear the latest news Gary eluded to... The rollback to the Vehicle Assembly Building was aborted about half-way through and
66 Post contains images Gary2880 : not often i elude achh just light the blue touch paper where it is and retire to a safe distance heh
67 Post contains images Thorny : Allude! That's what I said... allude! Pay no attention to that previous misspelling! It never happened. It's an airliners.net conspiracy I tell you!
68 N844AA : You wouldn't happen to have an introductory bibliography to suggest, would you?
69 Thorny : For early space... "The History of Manned Space Flight" by Baker, 1981 "Deke!" by Slayton and Cassutt, 1994 "The Right Stuff" by Wolfe, 1979 (warning
70 N844AA : Thanks, much appreciated. I've read a couple of those -- The Right Stuff is one of my all time favorite books (and a favorite movie too, for that matt
71 Thorny : With Atlantis back on Pad 39B and a weakening Tropical Depression Ernesto posing little threat of damage, NASA is currently planning to launch STS-115
72 TPAnx : Launch set for 12:29 pm, Wednesday, September 6th..with opportunities on Thursday, and Friday as noted above. TPAnx
73 Centrair : Great book. Read it 4 times in the past 3 years and could read it over and over if it wasn't falling apart. One of my other favorite space related bo
74 Gary2880 : whats the longest a mission has been delayed ? not counting the time between the disasters. such as rolling out then rolling back weather cancellation
75 Thorny : Undetermined. Officially, the next launch window opens around October 26 and lasts 4 days. Unofficially, NASA is said to be considering dropping the
76 Post contains images TPAnx : Countdown, part II is underway. Nothing on the web site or wires as to the weather "odds". The tropics are heating up, and we're in a westerly flow..
77 Thorny : 80% "Go" for Wednesday. 70% for Thursday and Friday.
78 Post contains images Speedbird747 : Today's launch is scrubbed due to a Fuel Cell Glitch Next attempt possibly tomorrow...
79 Post contains images Gary2880 : do'h to tomorrow then
80 Post contains images Thorny : "Fuel Cell Glitch" usually means "Minimum 1 Month Delay".
81 Post contains images Bmacleod : I'm wondering how NASA can possibly stick to it's 2010 date of shuttle retirement with all these delays. Either extend the deadline year or two or sh
82 Thorny : NASA has 17 flights remaining on the schedule, including the unofficial Hubble Servicing Mission (STS-125). That is 4 flights each in 2007, 2008, 200
83 Galaxy5007 : What they should do is extent the shuttle program till 2012 anyways, since the fleet was grounded for two years....thats two years of service life tha
84 Post contains links Eksath : Misson is a no-go. Rollback is being planned right now. I have been posting pictures from KSC taken by me yesterday and today on the this thread in th
85 Glidepath73 : What a shame, wanted to see the launch on NASA-TV. Any other news for a possible new launch date? Regards, Patrick
86 Thorny : I agree, this is very likely the outcome. However, NASA is still clinging to the possibility of a Friday (and now, possibly Saturday) launch. So the
87 BEG2IAH : I would bet NASA has all kinds of contingency plans for all kinds of situations (including roll back), but how did you get the information you posted
88 TPAnx : Given that launch during optimum daylight is no longer required, is the Russian Soyuz mission to the ISS the only obstacle to a launch say, next week?
89 Thorny : Yes. However, NASA has not officially dropped the daylight launch requirement, so it is still a moot point after Sep 13. According to Hale, the prima
90 Post contains links Thorny : GO FOR FRIDAY! NASA has given the go-ahead to launch STS-115 at 11:41am Friday, 8 Sep. http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/sts115/status.html
91 Post contains links and images Eksath : nah...all i do is take pictures to post on airliners.net Yeah.. I sure hope so because it is going to be a long night for me swatting bugs and gearin
92 Post contains images TPAnx : A bit disconcerting to note that the safety office and the fuel cell firm both recommended a no-go. Apparent concern is that the mission could be lau
93 Mir : Got a source for that? I was a little befuddled that they decided to go ahead and launch without fixing the fuel problem (according to an AP report).
94 Eksath : The MMT meeting started at midnight..the decision is still being made now. 1250AM EST.
95 Glidepath73 : German radio report here a confirmed "GO" for this afternoon (German time). Tough, the mission could be aborted earlier than planned, due the fuel cel
96 Jogales : The latest weather forecast calls for a 70% chance of good weather. Tanking is now complete, everything seems to be going well.
97 Post contains images Chksix : There's an ECO sensor issue so there might be a scrub for 24h's
98 RichardPrice : Thats a great photo, thanks for sharing!
99 Glidepath73 : The crew is right now on the way to the Orbiter......
100 TPAnx : No go-no go decision yet. TPAnx
101 Post contains images Eksath : current time T-1:20:06 Am expecting that at the T-9:00 minute hold. When the final polling happens at that time, if the sensor reading is off spec...
102 Post contains links and images Eksath : ok...hatch is closed....
103 Lnglive1011yyz : Still waiting on go-no-go from MMT (Mission Management Team). Re: failed sensor in the ET According to launch commit criteria, it SHOULD be a no-go. W
104 Glidepath73 : Countdown has stopped! Reason: Fuel sensor! What a shame. They will detank and try again tomorrow as I've understood.
105 Lnglive1011yyz : At this point, I think they should just stand-down, roll 'er back into the VAB, make the necessary repairs on the fuel cell, and now the ET, and try a
106 Rodge : The next launch attempt would be Saturday, Sept. 9, at 11:15 a.m. EDT. According to the site
107 Photolppt : Afirm, thats another 24 hr delay. What a shame. Suresh: please accept my congratulations on your amazing shots. Must be a challeng and a thrill to hav
108 Thorny : The opposite of 'go fever' is the accusation that they are too timid to launch if things are exactly perfect... They REALLY need to find out who buil
109 RichardPrice : How many mission scrubs have those sensors resulted in exactly? Theres blaming something, and theres taking something too far...
110 Thorny : The last three (STS-114, STS-121, and STS-115) and with the last four External Tanks that NASA tried to fly. (They replaced the Tank for 114.) Qualit
111 RichardPrice : May it have anything to do with the fact that those three missions are seperated by fairly significant time periods overall? Who knows when the senso
112 Thorny : Possibly, but it shouldn't. NASA has launched much older Tanks before, particularly in the years immediately after the Challenger disaster. It looks
113 Lnglive1011yyz : Agreed. One of the key selling features of the Ares programme to the American people is going to be the ease-of-launch compared to the Shuttle.. Cons
114 Eksath : These sensors were hand picked and according to Hale the best of the bunch.
115 TheSonntag : Are there reliable figures how many times the Soyuz has been delayed because of technical issues? Don't get me wrong, the doctrine of Safety First is
116 RichardPrice : Lockheed Martins Atlas III is powered by the Russian RD-180 heavy lift engines, manufacturered by P&W in the US. The RD-180 is a smaller version of t
117 Thorny : No, because until recently the Soviets/Russians didn't announce launches ahead of time. They only announced launches when they were successfully in o
118 TheSonntag : Thanks for your insightful comments. I think the ISS is a good example of how Russian and US space technology, despite all problems, work together in
119 TPAnx : As much as I'd love to see a launch...I agree 100 per cent. TPAnx
120 Thorny : The problem is, nothing comes free. Rollback and destacking present their own risks. Something else could be damaged while crews try to replace the F
121 TedTAce : My message to NASA for tomorrow: Shut the f*ck up and launch!!
122 TheSonntag : Why is Nasa so fixed on 2010, is it because of labour contracts? Since the infrastructure exists, why would it be impossible to extend the use until 2
123 RichardPrice : Because of major overhauls on the Shuttle fleet. Endeavour is currently undergoing its, Atlantis and Discovery have just had theirs, so the phased re
124 TheSonntag : I see. Are these overhauls based on time, not on "cycles"? I just hope they will manage to finish the station, but so far I am rather sure they will.
125 TedTAce : Until Late September/Early october IF the launch @ daylight 'suggestion' is ignored. FYI, I'm leaving to watch the launch from the beach @ Breakers i
126 Thorny : 2010 is the recommendation of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board... "R9.2-1 Prior to operating the Shuttle beyond 2010, develop and conduct a
127 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I'm going to try to see it from here in Jax.
128 DfwRevolution : At approx T-18 minutes and everything proceeding smoothly! *Fingers crossed*
129 TheSonntag : Still looking good, right now we are at the T-9 minutes hold... Lets hope it will go this time!
130 Usnseallt82 : Looks like this bastard will finally launch....hope all goes well from here.
131 RichardPrice : T-6, arm retracted. Yay! Go Atlantis!
132 RichardPrice : Shes up, looking good so far. SRBs just seperated. Congratulations NASA and the Atlantis team!
133 TPAnx : Launch plume clearly visible thru the haze near PIE. Go Atlantis!!! TPAnx
134 NoUFO : Nice start. Good luck Atlantis!
135 Post contains images CVG777 : Beautiful! I came to Embry-Riddle in Fall 2003, and this is the first lift-off that I have seen from the ERAU campus. The other two were in the summer
136 BEG2IAH : Godspeed Atlantis! BEG2IAH
137 TheSonntag : Good luck Atlantis. Finally the building of the ISS will be resumed!
138 Post contains links and images Eksath : The view from my location. Enjoy guys..more will be added to the thread in the photography forum. I used a 600mm with a 2x converter for this. I just
139 NoUFO : Especially the first pic is great! Maybe you want to brighten it a little and correct levels in Photoshop or similar and offer it to NASA. Not that th
140 Post contains images Eksath : thanks....but NASA has ALL angles covered. They even had aircrafts filming take off and the climbout. If you go NASA.GOV and get the STS mission page
141 Thorny : Here are some bits and pieces of information... - Fuel Cell No.1, which malfunctioned Wednesday, performed normally in both Friday's countdown and tod
142 Post contains links TedTAce : Well, I ended up on 20th Ave @ New Symrna. Here are the pics: http://www.airspaceonline.com/STS115 What amazed me about this location versus my http:/
143 Thorny : " target=_blank>http://www.airspaceonline.com/STS115 Nice photos, Ted! Super close-up photos are really great, but sometimes "crowd shots" just have m
144 Post contains images KPDX : Wow! Amazing launch, watched it live this morning. Heres a video to show how loud the shuttle is, its absoultely amazing! Btw, sound doesnt come in ti
145 BEG2IAH : Wow, this is really loud. Great, thanks for this video. Is there any way we can download it? BEG2IAH
146 Post contains links and images Mir : Here are my shots from Titusville, sorry about the crappy quality: The sound didn't reach there too much - I was pretty surprised about that. It was m
147 Post contains images TPAnx : Atmospherics have a lot to do with it. My (stupid) question..would not the heavy cargo load require more power..resulting in more noise? By the way, f
148 Post contains images Mke717spotter : Great launch this morning! Although I wish the three main angines would have made some more noise on start up. Also, I have a question. I was watching
149 Post contains links BlazingCessna : There is a distinct possibility that Hubble will not get that STS-125 Mission. The "Eye in the Sky" is now 21 years old, but some parts are as old as
150 Post contains links and images Eksath : You can see it now. You dont have to wait for 2010! Use the following website to get the accurate location relative your location. It does help to kn
151 RichPhitzwell : Ok, Im learning some things on this thread... Next question: Are all STS fueled the same? Do they all max out the tank and SRB's or do they only fuel
152 Chksix : Always maxed out. About Hubble, not possible to bring it back since it makes the shuttle exceed it's max landing weight. If it was the last flight by
153 Post contains links RichardPrice : The shuttle has a maximum cargo weight on landing of 43,500lbs. ( NASA Site) Hubble weighs 24,500lbs. (About.com) The Shuttle can bring Hubble back t
154 GDB : Great launch pics! Well, they got there in the end, but nothing is easy in this game I suspect, with something as complex as the Shuttle. I really mus
155 Post contains links and images Eksath : Ok..guys...here is the launch sequence as i shot it from 3.5 miles out and close to the VAB area (closest location for non essential personnel). About
156 Mir : Aren't Congressional riders great? Sure sounds like one. -Mir
157 RichardPrice : Russia supplies nuclear material and parts to Iran, ergo under the unamended Iran NPA NASA could not purchase materials or services from the RKA. Noo
158 Thorny : Well, OSCAR 7, an amateur radio relay satellite, is still operating in daylight 32 years after launch. The first Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (l
159 Post contains images Glidepath73 : Missed the launch on NASA TV. Is there a link to a video download of the whole Atlantis launch from NASA TV? Was looking for it, couldn't find it thou
160 Post contains links RichardPrice : http://www.nasa.gov/mp4/157055main_ksc_090906_sts115_launch_vod.mp4 First time I have actually ever seen a launch 'live', going to try to see one in
161 Chksix : Docking in progress. No problems reported.
162 DeltaDC9 : In 1988 there were two shuttles on the pad at the same time. They were scheduled to lift off about 3-5 days apart IIRC, so they must have been in spa
163 Post contains images RichardPrice : I cant see any launches closer than 10 days on the Wikipedia Shuttle Missions page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions). The
164 Post contains images Glidepath73 : Thanks a lot Richard for the link!!! Regards, Patrick
165 Post contains links Chksix : There are gap filler issues on this flight as well. Can't say yet if something will be done about them though. We have to wait for the press briefing
166 Post contains links Thorny : There have been numerous times both launch pads were occupied by Shuttles, beginning with STS-61C Columbia on Pad A and STS-51L Challenger on Pad B i
167 DeltaDC9 : Now that you remind me, it was indeed 1990. We went out there to the viewing area by the beach. I have a lot of pictures of them both. If I remember,
168 Thorny : Oh yeah... that was the Nightmare Summer of 1990 (tm) for NASA. Hydrogen leaks in both Columbia and Atlantis scrubbed missions all summer. Columbia a
169 Post contains links and images Eksath : Finally accepted into database. View Large View MediumPhoto © Suresh A. Atapattu
170 Chksix : EVA 3 underway. Heidi and Tanner will unfold a cooling radiator among other things.
171 NoUFO : NASA published a great video from one of atlantis' solid rocket boosters. You can not only see the launch and jettisoning of the SRB but also fall and
172 BEG2IAH : The only thing that's jettisoned are three huge parachutes. I don't know if that's what you're referring to. BEG2IAH
173 Thorny : The nozzle.
174 BEG2IAH : NoUFO, I checked that specific video you mentioned. I never saw it from that angle before. It really is a nozzle. Thorny, thanks for clearing up my mi
175 TheSonntag : There is a similiar (but slightly better IMHO) video of the discovery SRB from the previous launch, check the archives of NASA...
176 NoUFO : All right, thanks, but why is that? Is it to prevent damage from the SRB or wouldn't the SRB float with the nozzle?
177 Thorny : They jettison the nozzle to clear the aft end and make it easier to plug in the pump device they use to float the SRB horizontally after recovery.
178 NoUFO : Thanks Torny!
179 Eksath : we have atleast a one day delay on landing. The 0558H EST 9/20 is waived .Currently first attempt is 0621H EST 9/21 now. Looking for debris source and
180 Post contains images TedTAce : Looks like landing is a go, looks like I'll be waking the kids up extra early tomorrow morning
181 Post contains links TedTAce : I think I just answered my own question about the ground tracks: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sh...s/sts115/mission_docs/landing.html This time I
182 Mir : Civil twilight starts at 648am. Sunrise isn't until 711am. I guess it's still worth a shot.... -Mir
183 Alessandro : Yes the 116th US space shuttle mission was a success...
184 Post contains links ANCFlyer : http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/09/21/space.shuttle.ap/index.html
185 Mke717spotter : Nice landing, got up early and watched it live.
186 TedTAce : Well, I have another audio recording of the double boos (this one is a bit better) but I have ABSOLUTELY no pictures, but a ok story about why.... I'l
187 TPAnx : Welcome home, Atlantis..and well done. TPAnx
188 Mir : I was out on the pier near SR-50 and US1, and I heard the booms, but didn't see the shuttle (at least until I saw a little speck moving along the runw
189 Post contains links and images TedTAce : That God Damned Left hand turn in Albuquerque !!!!! So I'm cruising out SR 50 to head to Titusville when all of a sudden I see it split SR 50(left)/SR
190 Thorny : It goes to Cocoa Beach via Cocoa and Merritt Island, just like 50 but 20 miles farther south.
191 Mke717spotter : Any good the landing on their computer through a windows media player file that I could have? Cause it isn't letting me download it off nasa.com.
192 Post contains images TedTAce : I was speaking past tense, for the moment. I obviously figured it out when I got there That's ok, next time I have the cash to go, I'll actually choo
193 TPAnx : Hardest thing for me to do going to the Cape on the Bee..er...Beach line...is to ignore the big Cape Canaveral sign.. and go right... TPAnx
194 Post contains images TedTAce : I was on 50 rocket boy
195 Alessandro : Seem like the lady astronaut fainted during the cermony after the landing, it was her first trip to space.
196 TPAnx : I was on 50[/quote] I was just trying to point out that getting around in that area can be confusing. Once followed the sign..and wound up in a going-
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