RAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 1): Why did they choose the Cougar CSAR while having the NH 90 on order ? Better availability ?
They already have the COUGAR CSAR in their inventory, based in Al Kharj.
Quoting Migfan (Reply 2): The Tiger?, don't the Saudi land Forces operate the AH-64?
Yes they do. But don't try to bring rhyme or reason to the Saudi weapons procurement process. After all, these are the same bunch that bought F-15's and Tornado ADV (a POS of the first degree).
Regardless, the Saudi's have proven to be incapable of operating their weapons systems without a high-level of contractor assistance--from the manufacturer, and from independent sources.
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GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12735 posts, RR: 79 Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
It has been said that never has so much been spent, for so little actual capability, as in Saudi.
But that is about stability, compentance, trust of the military-heard the one about how Saudi training for bombing with live weapons, never allow the aircraft to be fuelled enough to reach the Royal Palaces in the capital?
The whole promotion by patronage and status, the paranoia driven 'force within and force' of the National Guard.
Saudi took ADV's as 'that lobby' in the US prevented further F-15 sales, (prior to the 1st Gulf War).
ADV was designed for the mundane work like defending a large area of UK/Eastern Approaches against Soviet bomber attack, in all weathers and in a heavy ECM enviroment.
It was not a 'POS' in that respect.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11435 posts, RR: 81 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 1744 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 8): ADV was designed for the mundane work like defending a large area of UK/Eastern Approaches against Soviet bomber attack, in all weathers and in a heavy ECM enviroment.
It was not a 'POS' in that respect.
ADV was successful in it's limited role, as was Lightning. It was perhaps not well suited for anything other than interception, however the Saudis do not want to be caught on the wrong end of sanctions from a sole source weapons provider.
EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 9): ADV was successful in it's limited role, as was Lightning. It was perhaps not well suited for anything other than interception, however the Saudis do not want to be caught on the wrong end of sanctions from a sole source weapons provider.
At one point, however, the Saudis appear to have expressed disappointment that the ADV wouldn't perform in the dogfight role as well as the F-15. It was as if they hadn't compared the two before deciding to buy the ADV. Didn't they convert the ADV's to something akin to a Wild Weasel?
Migfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 1688 times:
Wasn't the ADV purchased with the IDS, some Hawks, and Jetstream trainers as part of the "Al Yamah" package. I believe there were two installments of Al Yamah.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11435 posts, RR: 81 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months ago) and read 1651 times:
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 12): Didn't they convert the ADV's to something akin to a Wild Weasel?
They had relatively few ADVs and they have been retained in the interceptor role. The IDS are equipped for HARM missions. They bought the ADVs when we would not sell them F-15s and the comparison did not matter. They did replace Lightnings therefore were a significant advancement over what they had since they had good radar and MR semi-active radar missiles.
Al Yamamah more like it. I don't know what they're calling it, but Al Yamamah was the British name for their arms sales packages to Saudi. This package looks predominately French with some US thrown in.
F4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months ago) and read 1651 times:
To all:
The Saudis also just completed a huge weapons purchase from the US involving armored vehcls, missles, radios, ect. I believe it will or has already gone thru Congress.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29367 posts, RR: 61 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months ago) and read 1648 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 8): It has been said that never has so much been spent, for so little actual capability, as in Saudi.
But that is about stability, compentance, trust of the military-heard the one about how Saudi training for bombing with live weapons, never allow the aircraft to be fuelled enough to reach the Royal Palaces in the capital?
Ever see that photo of the RSAF F-15 after some techie checked the fuel level in the drop tank with a match?
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AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2530 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 16): Ever see that photo of the RSAF F-15 after some techie checked the fuel level in the drop tank with a match?
hahaha, but JET-A has a pretty high flash point - you could practically drop a match into a bucket of JET-A and it would just extinguish.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12735 posts, RR: 79 Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
L-188, good one, but I once heard a similar story about Libya and that fleet of Mirages they brought in the early/mid 70's, yet hardly flew unless the Pakistani contract pilots were around.
The package of Tornado IDS deliveries included obviously 1000lb bombs, but also BAe Sea Eagle and ALARM-the latter being an ARM, but German and Italian IDS got the ECR/HARM mod to some of their fleet.
(The Luftwaffe used it in anger in Kosovo in 1999).
The Saudis did bitch about ADV serviceability-so clearly not enough BAe personnel in country at that time.
Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6391 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1573 times:
Why exactly do they want/need all these extra weapons?.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1570 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 14): Why exactly do they want/need all these extra weapons?.
The same reason EK needs all those commercial aircraft....
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Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6391 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1564 times:
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11738 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 1): Glad to see another country choosing the A330MRTT !!
What are they going to do with 2-3 A-330MRTTs? They already fly 5 KE-3As. Is the A-330MRTT going to be like the RAAF version?
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11435 posts, RR: 81 Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1532 times:
Quoting F4N (Reply 10): The Saudis also just completed a huge weapons purchase from the US involving armored vehcls, missles, radios, ect. I believe it will or has already gone thru Congress.
EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1283 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 9): They had relatively few ADVs and they have been retained in the interceptor role. The IDS are equipped for HARM missions. They bought the ADVs when we would not sell them F-15s and the comparison did not matter. They did replace Lightnings therefore were a significant advancement over what they had since they had good radar and MR semi-active radar missiles.
I may be mistaken but I thought they had some F-15s before they got the ADVs.
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