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Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3096 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3246 times:

Courtesy: Wall Street Journal-Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Boeing Reportedly Ready To Wind Down C-17 Cargo Plane Line

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06229/714300-28.stm

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User currently offlineComet4b From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Could this line be made suitable as an alternative 787 line???

User currently offlineTi717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

What ever happened to the MD-17 ( a civil version of the C-17)? I would not think there would be too many buyers.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

They should just overhaul that baby and reopen the 757 line  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

It is official as of today the C-17 program is being shutdown by Boeing baring any firther US Gov orders. Where did the foriegn orders go?


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
Where did the foreign orders go?

Even with the foreign orders, the last delivery takes place in mid-2008.

Without a further commitment from Uncle Sam, Boeing has to discontinue ordering long lead items from it suppliers which is basically driving today's announcement.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

They need to restart commercial production at Palmdale


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
Even with the foreign orders, the last delivery takes place in mid-2008.

Foreign military sales orders to date;
Australia 4
UK 4, and a 5th C-17 recently ordered.
Canada 4

Still potential orders could come from;
Germany
Italy
5th airplane for the RAAF
Japan (doubtful)
Isreal
USAF


User currently offlineAlohajock From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Read that 6,500+ workers will be affected by this closure.
Truly another sad day in Long Beach and Aerospace in Southern Cal.


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Building cluster on top left is where C-17 are assembled. Large sand clearing is where the famous Douglas Tower Admin building once stood. Now cleared for housing and industrial developement.

Maybe Gov. Arnold could persuade Boeing to manufacture the 787 there.

I miss the 60s' and 70s' when names like Douglas, Convair, Rockwell, Northrop, North American, Lockheed were synonymous with California. What happened??


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting Alohajock (Reply 8):
I miss the 60s' and 70s' when names like Douglas, Convair, Rockwell, Northrop, North American, Lockheed were synonymous with California. What happened??

In part, the prosperity created by the major defense and aerospace contractors among others attracted the flaky anti-industrial folks, who jacked up the costs of doing business in California.

The rest of it is that California has a highly profitable non-industrial economy (hi-tech, software, entertainment) that has made California an expensive place to do anything because of shortages of affordable land and housing.



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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
In part, the prosperity created by the major defense and aerospace contractors among others attracted the flaky anti-industrial folks, who jacked up the costs of doing business in California.

The rest of it is that California has a highly profitable non-industrial economy (hi-tech, software, entertainment) that has made California an expensive place to do anything because of shortages of affordable land and housing.

That's exactly what has become CA's problem, and now a lot of them have cahsed out on their overpriced shacks and taken their money here to Texas and started to do the same things that lead to the problems CA now exists. I wouldn't even consider a job in CA because of the outrageous cost of living, even when up in MN with NW I couldn't believe how expensive it had gotten to just buy an entry level home.


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting Alohajock (Reply 8):
What happened??

The Cold War ended.

This is a shame that the Air Force won't continue ordering the C-17, as there really is a need to expand the air logistics branch of the Air Force. The C-5 is getting old and the C-141s have been retired. The US won't have a transport aircraft in production (except the C-130) for several years afterwards. Overall a poorly made decision on the Air Force's part, and a really good move on Boeing's part to get the Air Force to come up with something quickly to get the line moving again.


User currently offlineGalaxy5007 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting Ti717 (Reply 2):
a civil version of the C-17

Apparently the USAF has a MD-17 on order. I have no idea what the reasoning for it is, but there is one on order.

183 total for the USAF, including an additional test aircraft, and the commercial varient.
5 total for the UK
4 for Canada
4 for Austrailia
1 for the Danish, all confirmed orders.

Source is from a C-17 program intergration office power point from Dover AFB

I seriously doubt Boeing is going to keep LB open after the 17 line closes down. I don't even think the 787 can save it. Yes its a shame that jobs will be lost, but its gonna happen sooner or later anyways. Even if the USAF asked for more aircraft, they would eventually have to shut down. Just a fact of life. Nothing lasts forever.


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