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Luftwaffe A310 At LAS?  
User currently offlineSperl19 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Was spotting at LAS today about 2:30 Pacific time. Heard a jumbled call for a heavy. Thats all I could get out of it. Out of nowhere comes a gray A310 with Luftwaffe on the side. Anyone have any idea what this plane is doing in Vegas? I have never seen it before.

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Thats a good question, can someone @ LAS give us more info please?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineUSAF757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

probably in for the Red Flag at Nellis. I know it was a big one this time, a lot of allies where coming to Vegas and Im sure that the Luftwaffe will be one of them. Most likely supporting that.

USAF757300


User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Well the German Air Force has a couple of stations out here, as far as I know only in El Paso and around Phoenix though. But it could be in cooperation with the NATO, since the Luftwaffe has a couple of lazarete a/c (is that the right word?)

Cheers,

Thilo



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Well its in a meeting. These a/c just dont pop up daily.

MCOflyer



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineUSAF757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

The Luftwaffe trains in Goodyear, AZ, and at Holloman in NM for their Tornados.

User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

I used to see RAF TriStars at the charter terminal all the time. I asked around and was told mearly "Nellis". My question is, since the Lufwaffe and RAF are military why not land at Nellis?


"...left my home in Georgia, 'n headed for the "Frisco" Bay...
User currently offlineSperl19 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Well. Every few weeks there is a KC-135 or two parked at the charter terminals. I have also seen a few C-160s from time to time. Last week there were 4 KC-135s parked there at once. The Red Flag idea makes a lot of sense. But I also wonder why they wouldn't just be parked out at Nellis.

User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Yes, it is all for Red Flag...In the past week at LAS, there has been Luftwaffe and French Air Force C-160's, many different C-130's, Saudia 777, Qatar A340 and other "stuff". This occurs several times per year and these visitors are not that unusual.

To answer your question, from what I have been told, Signature FS maintains the military fuel contracts for many of the military forces worldwide. This is the reason that you see many military transport aircraft at civilian airports when an air force base is very close by (i.e. LAS & Nellis). These a/c cannot fuel at the bases and many of these bases do not have the massive inground fuel available that the commercial airports have. Last week, KC-135's were in and out of LAS like WN flights (OK, a little exaggeration!), so it makes for some interesting spotting a few times per year especially when the beautiful VC-10's start arriving!


User currently offlineUSAF757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 6):
My question is, since the Lufwaffe and RAF are military why not land at Nellis

I would guess that during these flags that there just isnt enough room on the ramp for the larger craft like the tristars and A310s.


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Germany is a bit into financial trouble and sent the Chancellor "Angie" to the Casinos to get some extra money for the government  Wink Big grin

Georg


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 10):
Germany is a bit into financial trouble and sent the Chancellor "Angie" to the Casinos to get some extra money for the government

She damn sure won't be asking "Georgie" for a shoulder massage while playin' the slots. Big grin



"...left my home in Georgia, 'n headed for the "Frisco" Bay...
User currently offlineAC320tech From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Luftwaffe A310's also come here to YHZ quite often, atleast once every 2 weeks. Im not sure why, anyone?

User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3603 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 12):
Luftwaffe A310's also come here to YHZ quite often, atleast once every 2 weeks. Im not sure why, anyone?

German Tornados train a lot in Goose Bay. I don't know where exactly they have their base, but as far as I know, Halifax is one of their main stations.

Flying 100feet above the ground with the afterburner on is something which isn't really popular in Germany with its 82 million inhabitants, so Canada is a good alternative for training.


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 6):
used to see RAF TriStars at the charter terminal all the time. I asked around and was told mearly "Nellis". My question is, since the Lufwaffe and RAF are military why not land at Nellis?

Perhaps the crews want to visit some establishemnts before they play war games  Wink

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 10):
Germany is a bit into financial trouble and sent the Chancellor "Angie" to the Casinos to get some extra money for the government

Haha, must be real dier times in Germany

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 13):
German Tornados train a lot in Goose Bay. I don't know where exactly they have their base, but as far as I know, Halifax is one of their main stations.

Flying 100feet above the ground with the afterburner on is something which isn't really popular in Germany with its 82 million inhabitants, so Canada is a good alternative for training.

It is a thing of the past ! Luftwaffe has recently left Goose Bay and don't use it anymore for regular training. This is because the importance of ultra-low level flight has decreased very much in the past decade.


The only reason why you might still see Luftwaffe aircraft there is to collect spares and equipment still left there.

Another possibility are NATO exercises.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineSkyman From Germany, joined May 2006, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 13):
German Tornados train a lot in Goose Bay. I don't know where exactly they have their base, but as far as I know, Halifax is one of their main stations.

Goose Bay has been closed since at least two years now. I think even more. Why? because:

Quoting A342 (Reply 15):
This is because the importance of ultra-low level flight has decreased very much in the past decade.

 Smile  checkmark 


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3603 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 15):



Quoting Skyman (Reply 16):

Thanks, didn't know that. I thought only the Phantom training in the US had been stopped...


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 8):
To answer your question, from what I have been told, Signature FS maintains the military fuel contracts for many of the military forces worldwide. This is the reason that you see many military transport aircraft at civilian airports when an air force base is very close by (i.e. LAS & Nellis).

A Luftwaffe A310 is a frequent visitor at Dulles, over by the Singature FS ramp.


User currently offlineSkyman From Germany, joined May 2006, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
I thought only the Phantom training in the US had been stopped...

Tornado training will also be stopped soon since the EUFI is taking over and Tornados will run out. So the Luftwaffe might stick to training in Laage then.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Quoting Skyman (Reply 19):
Tornado training will also be stopped soon since the EUFI is taking over and Tornados will run out.

Not really. The Tornado will stay for at least another decade.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
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