CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5634 times:
A big tragedy indeed, I'm also solidary with the families and relatives of the ones that perished, also my deep respect to the Squadron where this airplane belonged too. I would like to say that the plane involved, the Nimrod, always looked a very safe and a very reliable airplane although is already a bit old. I hope this accident will not affect also the future operationality of the Nimrod itself.
Gary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5385 times:
such a sad loss, wonderful aircraft. the only thing i get to see on a semi-regular basis that brings back an old time aircraft to my local.
why did the RAF not send the MR4s out to afghanistan or are they still in testing? really if it was going to happen i think it is just as well it happened to a 2, if it happened to a 4 that would probably cause big problems indeed. hopefully more 2's will be upgraded promptly.
any chance of finding out a registration?? hopefully not an aberdeen regular.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5379 times:
I agree that RAF needs to speed up the MR4 introduction. I'm not sure if any Nimrod MR4 are already operational, but even if they are sending them to a sensitive area like Afganistan would be quite dangerous.
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5245 times:
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 11):
What is the Nimrod doing in that environment? SIGINT/ELINT? Are these platforms optimized for this type of work? Wouldn't this be like putting a P-3 there?
Not putting the P-3 down here, but the Nimrod is a vastly superior aircraft for what it does. Its a multirole aircraft with its primary role in maritime patrol, but it is fully fitted out for sigint and photo recon roles.
The upgrade to the MR2 standard brought better electronics suites, ESM pods, wing mounted Sidewinder Air to Air missiles, and a host of other goodies.
A Nimrod would not be amiss slap bang in the middle of Afghanistan carrying out intelligence gathering.
Then again, it would also not be out of place dropping bombs, considering it has the largest usable bombbay of all NATO aircraft.
The MRA4 upgrade will increase its capabilities even further.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13229 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5156 times:
Indeed, Nimrod has been used overland for some time now, with it's extensive comms suite and newer fitment of suitable survellience gear for this role.
It's a very sad loss, of course all the armchair experts in the media will bang on about 'crap UK kit'.
But of the two, it's the P-3 Orion, a great aircraft nonetheless, which in USN service has been having the issues with aging, corrosion, sustainability.
Like Nimrod, some are used overland offering similar capabilities, in addition to some the Nimrod will not have until MRA.4, including weapons carriage.
Of course, this has put a further strain on the P-3 force.
The RAF are of course waiting for MRA.4A, but I'd suggest the USN feels more urgency waiting for the P-8.
Nimrod has even been used on occasion, over London as a comms relay during high profile, high security events.
At 30,000 feet, where the ill fated Nimrod was yesterday in Afghanistan, thus undermining the Taliban claims of the Stinger missile kill.
My condolences to all those touched by this tragic loss.
Ant72LBA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5017 times:
Can anyone clarify exactly what the nature of the mission of this aircraft would have been? I am aware of the R1 Nimrods that carried out electronic warfare missions but wasn't aware that the MR2 force were now carrying out missions of this nature.
Deepest sympathy to the family and friends of the crew.
Strudders From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5007 times:
May I add my sympathies to all
Quoting Ant72LBA (Reply 17): Can anyone clarify exactly what the nature of the mission of this aircraft would have been? I am aware of the R1 Nimrods that carried out electronic warfare missions but wasn't aware that the MR2 force were now carrying out missions of this nature.
In line with other answers given and the fact there was a Para and a Marine on board the aircraft, I guess it was providing a communications net (as in previous answers rightly stated) MR2's were deployed over London after Sept 11th and since for this very reason.
RC135U From United States of America, joined May 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4741 times:
Quoting Ant72LBA (Reply 17): I am aware of the R1 Nimrods that carried out electronic warfare missions but wasn't aware that the MR2 force were now carrying out missions of this nature.
That's exactly what I was thinking about - the R1 Nimrods of 51 Squadron with their SIGINT/COMINT capabilities. Perhaps the MR2 force is better able to deal with the hostile environment over Afghanistan.
In any event, my thoughts are with the families of those lost.