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Object Shadows Shuttle; Landing Waved Off - Report  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Breaking: A mysterious object caught on videotape has caused NASA to posting the landing of the United States Space Shuttle, Atlantis.

The Air Force Space Command is attempting to resolve the object.

Source: MSNBC, live anchored coverage, with veteran correspondent Jay Barbree and expert commentator James Oberg.

More as events may warrant.

[Edited 2006-09-19 18:09:25]

47 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
A mysterious object caught on videotape has caused NASA to cancel tomorrow's landing of the United States Space Shuttle, Atlantis.

I suspect liberals and atheists  Smile

Any poss. of a picture of what was spotted ? Did it look suspiciously like a time-warp round-the-sun episode of Star Trek ?


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

NBC Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklazewski notes a report of unusual heat along a trailing edge of the Atlantis' wings.

Crew may be in danger, says James Oberg.

Return to International Space Station out of the question. Also, ISS experienced fire yesterday.

Live coverage continues.

[Edited 2006-09-19 18:04:52]

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

A) This belongs in Mil/space for now

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Return to International Space Station out of the question.

B) Why?


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
B) Why?

Probably not enough OMS fuel.

They are going to carry out another remote examination of the shuttle, delaying stowing of various antenna.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

NASA press conference under way; Wayne Hale, NASA, confirms co-orbital object, says camera artifact ruled out.

Object may be from cargo bay or ice formation shaken loose by orbital firing.

Object still unknown.

MSNBC live coverage continues; NASA press conference carried live at NASA Website and NASA cable television channel.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4):
Probably not enough OMS fuel.

For general information:

"OMS" = Orbital maneuvering system.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Oh come on, it's a piece of debris, not Martians or something. Let's be a little less dramatic.


International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Oh come on, it's a piece of debris, not Martians or something. Let's be a little less dramatic.

It would be absurd to conclude that it's the Martians. However, the object is still unidentified at this time.

[Edited 2006-09-19 18:17:16]

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Oh come on, it's a piece of debris, not Martians or something. Let's be a little less dramatic.

Its dramatic because we dont know what it is. Sure, noone is pretending its aliens, but that doesnt mean it cant be a vital part of the Shuttle itself - thats the worrying part.


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Crew may be in danger, says James Oberg.

If Jim Oberg said this I'd be a little surprised at him. That's an awful lot of speculation at this point. Where's Miles O'Brien when you need him?

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Return to International Space Station out of the question.

Incorrect. Re-rendezvous can be accomplished.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Also, ISS experienced fire yesterday.

Nah, the Elektron overheated (what else is new...). A trace amount of KOH was released and there was a burning rubber smell (hot rubber gasket) for awhile but everything's fine.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Oh come on, it's a piece of debris, not Martians or something. Let's be a little less dramatic.

 checkmark 

I'd say they'll be coming home Thursday or Friday. No problem.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

JBird, thank you for your comments. Please note that the "fire" comment came directly from a news source.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 10):
I'd say they'll be coming home Thursday or Friday. No problem.

A voice or reason speaks... Thank You JB...


User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
NBC Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklazewski notes a report of unusual heat along a trailing edge of the Atlantis' wings.

Crew may be in danger, says James Oberg.

Return to International Space Station out of the question. Also, ISS experienced fire yesterday.

Live coverage continues.

Its really sad to see comments like yours online. You post it all dramatically then claim your just quoting a news source. Quit copping out...you know exactly what your posts look like to the uninformed. Do some homework next time before you post. Talk about blowing hot air!!

-Check


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 13):
Its really sad to see comments like yours online. You post it all dramatically then claim your just quoting a news source. Quit copping out...you know exactly what your posts look like to the uninformed. Do some homework next time before you post. Talk about blowing hot air!!

I'm sorry you feel that way. However, I did, in fact, hear the "fire" comment from a news source. I was merely reporting what I heard. In reporting live events, I try not to censor or inject opinion.

It does appear that the "fire" was merely a scare, although there was smoke and a chemical skill aboard the Station. The report I saw and heard, thus, was wrong to use the word "fire".

Please see:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...-09-18-smoke-iss_x.htm?POE=TECISVA

[Edited 2006-09-19 19:26:54]

User currently offlineChksix From Sweden, joined Sep 2005, 345 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

There was a fire alarm due to the crew pressing a manual call point (fire alarm button) after feeling an odd smell in the air.

The cause was the Electron leaking KOH after being started up. The liquid is irritant but not deadly. An emergency was declared to assure priority on all TDRSS comms channels. (The same is done in aviation and shipping).

You should all watch NASA TV instead of believing uninformed sensationalistic journalists.  Wink



The conveyor belt plane will fly
User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

It was properly reported what the cause was 2 hours after it was first reported yesterday. Thats why I have issues with starting a thread today with bad info. My comments were also in reference to the heat reference and the object comments. It was never reported that it was anything other than either space junk or something that came out/off of the shuttle. The only concern is that it is not off of the heat shield. My main concern with the initial postings were that it seemed that the poster was attempting to over-dramatize the reports, which has no place here. If that was not the intention, then I'm sorry...but that is what it looks like.

-Check


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 16):
Thats why I have issues with starting a thread today with bad info. My comments were also in reference to the heat reference and the object comments. It was never reported that it was anything other than either space junk or something that came out/off of the shuttle.

Your concerns are noted. I was simply reporting what I saw and heard, and it is really not my place to say that it was "merely" a piece of junk, or something innocuous or soothing of that nature. It is not correct, from my experience, to say that it was definitively reported as something that was "either space junk or something that came out/off of the shuttle". The object was not known as to its nature or characteristics, other than the fact that it is shadowing the orbiter.

The object remains unidentified and, if it was a heat tile, for example, the discovery of same could be quite significant. NASA is currently working on the problem and it is important to understand that any prejudicial comments that it is "just" anything at all could be misintepreted as much as the overdramatization that your message criticizes.

In setting forth the tenor of reports, I find that it is best to convey the tone of those I experience rather than pretend that I know that all is well and post accordingly.

[Edited 2006-09-19 20:40:27]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 17):
In setting forth the tenor of reports, I find that it is best to convey the tone of those I experience rather than pretend that I know that all is well and post accordingly.

However, making alarming statements such as ...

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Breaking: A mysterious object



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
unusual heat along a trailing edge of the Atlantis' wings.



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Crew may be in danger



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Return to International Space Station out of the question.

... makes it sound like Atlantis is in imminent danger, something like Apollo 13, when no systems failures have been reported with Atlantis, and this is a small piece of debris that was found in the same orbit. Serious enough to warrant attention? You bet. Should we be getting over-excited about it? I doubt it. There are thousands of professionals along with the experience of the crew to resolve this.

May Atlantis have a safe return to Earth.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1672 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

CNN is reporting that an astronaut has sighted a second piece of debris...

User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 17):
it is important to understand that any prejudicial comments that it is "just" anything at all could be misintepreted as much as the overdramatization that your message criticizes

Prejudicial to what, exactly? I hardly think that any NASA engineers are searching for the answer to the mystery on this forum.  Wink



Make the most of the available light ... a lesson of photography that applies to life
User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3858 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Oh come on, it's a piece of debris, not Martians or something. Let's be a little less dramatic.

If it happens to be a chunk of RCC then this would be a very dramatic problem.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 10):
Incorrect. Re-rendezvous can be accomplished.

I think this is certainly true but not necessarily practical or desirable. Using the propellant required to return could easily leave them without the margin required to de-orbit safely. It's conceivable that a return to the Station would require a rescue mission to bring the crew back from a safety standpoint and also to simply reduce the mass of the shuttle in proportion to remaining propellant. They certainly are not going to attempt to "top it off" in orbit.



Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3848 times:

Always the best news source for the Shuttle: http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/current.html


There's no excuse for posting stuff you see on MSNBC. Go to the good source.  Smile


User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3839 times:

If the piece did come off the shuttle they (NASA) needs to ground all future shuttle launches until they can come up with a new more reliable shuttle.


Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3827 times:

I really think this is the "mountain out of a molehill" syndrome. Bits and pieces of things coming out of the Shuttle's payload bay in orbit is far from uncommon, and in fact is blamed for most of the UFOs that those so inclined insist are the flying saucer variety (and if all of those were true, we'd be looking at a scenario straight out of "Earth Versus the Flying Saucers"!)

But since Columbia was lost, NASA is playing it safe and wants to take another look at the critical parts of the heat shield (the chunk of Wing Leading Edge RCC panel that doomed Columbia was seen on radar in orbit but not taken seriously at the time.)

My guess, the objects seen are bits of insulation from the payload bay or ice from the wastewater dump valve. They appeared dark because they were in the Shuttle's shadow, seen against a bright Earth background. That happens because the insulation tends to move around a bit at launch and then is dislodged when the payload (i.e. P3/P4 Truss) is lifted out of the payload bay. The insulation or the ice came loose and floated away when the Atlantis crew did the pre-landing control surface checkout (which shakes the vehicle somewhat.)

NASA is playing it safe and will delay landing to give Atlantis another once-over, just to chase away the demons from Columbia. Since tomorrow's landing opportunity at the Cape was looking pretty hopeless anyway (due to weather), this was a pretty easy decision to make.

The weather forecast for Thursday or Friday landings is good. Atlantis has enough consumables to remain in orbit through Saturday. They can still return to the International Space Station, should this prove to be a more serious problem.


25 Thorny : There are other options, though. ISS and Atlantis are not that far apart. The ISS could actually do the rendezvous if it had to, with Atlantis a pass
26 FlyUSCG : It seems like no one ever points out the fact that there have been over 100 shuttle launches and only one vehicle lost due to something coming off it.
27 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Oh Man, took away all the fun . . . Along with the other 89,934,994,395,549,193,944,444,294.8 objects flying about in earth orbit . . . NASA will fin
28 BEG2IAH : Both Challenger and Columbia were lost because of the causes not originating from the orbiter itself. Challenger was doomed because of the O-ring pro
29 JBirdAV8r : I'd probably second that guess. Also, you all should see the lists of tools and other such FOD that gets "lost" while working in the Orbiters on the
30 Checksixx : You should realize that foam and ice have shed off of the tank on every flight since the first flight. When you consider it is one of the most comple
31 Chksix : The briefings with Wayne Hale are legendary and in my opinion he talks in a way that makes it possible for children to understand what is going on. If
32 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Seems to be a universal thing across the spectrum.
33 Post contains links TedTAce : Shouldn't we be back in : Offical STS-115 Atlantis Thread (by TPAnx Jul 24 2006 in Military Aviation & Space Flight) ??? Thorny: Where are the links f
34 FlyUSCG : True, I forgot that part. What I meant to say is that stuff has been coming off of the orbiter, fuel tank, and SRB's since day one and only ONCE has
35 Post contains links Thorny : http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sh...s/sts115/mission_docs/landing.html
36 Post contains images Ptrjong : Sure, with two fatal crashes in how many flights - fifty? Peter
37 Thorny : 116. Shuttle flew 88 missions between its two fatal accidents. Soyuz has flown 85 missions since its last fatal accident.
38 Ptrjong : Your knowledge is always impressive, Thorny. FlyUSCG, if you meant space when you said 'out there', you may be right. You said 'aircraft', though.
39 FlyUSCG : You obviously didn't read what I said. There has only been ONE crash as a result of a piece of something falling off and striking the orbiter (the Ch
40 Post contains images Chksix : Technically the Orbiter is the winged vehicle, the Shuttle is the whole stack during ascent. The foam that fell off the shuttle hit the orbiter. This
41 Ptrjong : Two Orbiters have been lost to whatever technical causes. Even if you want to count only one for some reason, relative to only 116 flights that IS of
42 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Atlantis is home - flawless landing . . . http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/09/21/space.shuttle.ap/index.html
43 JBirdAV8r : Two manned Soyuzes have been lost as well, with somewhat of a close call on a third just a couple of years ago.
44 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Congratulations to the crew of Atlantis for a most excellent mission!
45 Bhill : It was Hoffa's coffin....
46 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Some describe it as a shim-type thing between the heat tiles that might have shaken loose from the retro-engine firing. There was also mention that it
47 Lehpron : Dude, if you interpret those remarks as sounding like 'imminent danger', they are yours and not his problem. We all come to conclusions based on expe
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