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User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

This strange aircraft departed Love Field in Dallas this morning. No visible reg number. Had some sort of contraption beneath the fuselage. The tail end of the fuselage had some sort of extension to it. Anyone able to tell me what this is and how I could get a reg number?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/tim552/Navy1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/tim552/Navy2.jpg


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7290 times:

Well it is a Lockheed P-3 Orion, probably with a US Navy history. It is apparently still US military - star & bar is not used by DEA or Customs etc.

Looks like a SLAR pod underneath but I'll leave that to someone who is up to date on such.



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User currently offlineJarheadK5 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

Quoting Sleekjet (Thread starter):
The tail end of the fuselage had some sort of extension to it.

That's the MAD boom - pretty much standard on P-3's.
MAD = Magnetic Anomaly Detector. Used to find, surprisingly enough, magnetic anomalies in the Earth's magnetic field caused by large masses of ferrous metals under the surface of the ocean. In other words; a way to hunt for submarines.

Aside from the lack of tail letters, MODEX numbers, and the word NAVY on the aft fuselage, it's marked just like almost all the other P-3's in the Navy. We had 2 squadrons of them at NAS Willow Grove when I was there, so I'm fairly familiar with them.

The "canoe" under the fuselage looks like a SLAR to me, too.

I wonder if it's the same anonymous SLAR'd P-3 from this pic:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1098596/L/



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User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

I'm a civilian. What's a SLAR pod?


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7256 times:

Quoting Sleekjet (Reply 3):
I'm a civilian. What's a SLAR pod?

Side Looking Airborne Radar



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User currently offlineN911ME From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7251 times:

Maybe this Orion's coming out of Chrysler's operation in Waco?

I didn't see a Bureau No. anywhere on the empennage either (though the pictures do not give great detail to the aft end of the aircraft). Maybe it's heading for some Customs ops.....or, it could be assigned to VPU-1/VPU-2: these two squadrons are a sort of Navy "specops" component - fake modex, tail codes, bureau no., etc. - used for some sort of crazy stuff.

[Edited 2006-09-20 05:59:51]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7241 times:

Looks like a standard P-3 to me-save for the pod.

Lookes like it extends under the weapons bay, so it probably gave up it's sub mission.

Surface surveillence perhaps through a SLAR, or maybe it's an ELINT pod.



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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

Look at this site:
http://home.wxs.nl/~p3orion/sneaky.html
and read the following part "NAWC-23 at Dallas Love Field"


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

Quoting JarheadK5 (Reply 2):
I wonder if it's the same anonymous SLAR'd P-3 from this pic:

I'd say yes, and my guess it was flying shortly after repair. Your picture was dated 16 Aug 06, so that about 30 days ago. About right for a repair of that size.



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User currently offlineJarheadK5 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7184 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
I'd say yes, and my guess it was flying shortly after repair. Your picture was dated 16 Aug 06, so that about 30 days ago. About right for a repair of that size.

That's what I was thinking. In the second pic posted in this thread, that radome is awfully shiny-new looking. I don't recall radomes looking that pretty at the Grove very often...

Quoting Brendows (Reply 7):
Look at this site:
http://home.wxs.nl/~p3orion/sneaky.html
and read the following part "NAWC-23 at Dallas Love Field"

D'oh!
I read that page, linked from another thread here (in Tech/Ops I believe), and managed to forget that secret-squirrel P-3 activities at Love Field were mentioned in there.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7144 times:

Quoting JarheadK5 (Reply 2):
I wonder if it's the same anonymous SLAR'd P-3 from this pic:

Well, if so, that would explain why the

Quoting JarheadK5 (Reply 9):
radome is awfully shiny-new looking

* * *


Quoting N911ME (Reply 5):
a sort of Navy "specops" component - fake modex, tail codes, bureau no., etc. - used for some sort of crazy stuff.

Don't want to know! I'm no longer "cleared for wierd" as we used to say.



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User currently offlineTexfly101 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Lookes like it extends under the weapons bay, so it probably gave up it's sub mission

as has been written about before, these planes have items like dummy painted sonobouy displays...so don't think that they are anything that they appear to be.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 10):
Don't want to know! I'm no longer "cleared for wierd" as we used to say.

and that is a great statement. Like SlamClick, I don't even ask anymore as the need to know is not there. The clearance, when in effect, says don't talk about it...and afterwards, don't ask about it. So we can just enjoy the pic of a definitely "not the normal stuff" airplane. Thanks for the post of the pic.


User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1608 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7088 times:
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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

You know it wouldn't exactly surprise me to find out these birds spend a lot of time out of the Carribean using that SLAR to spot drug runners.

Especially when you consider where they are based.



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User currently offlineN911ME From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7030 times:

Quoting Texfly101 (Reply 11):
and that is a great statement. Like SlamClick, I don't even ask anymore as the need to know is not there. The clearance, when in effect, says don't talk about it...and afterwards, don't ask about it. So we can just enjoy the pic of a definitely "not the normal stuff" airplane. Thanks for the post of the pic.

That's not classified material - and that's the point of this thread.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Quoting N911ME (Reply 14):
That's not classified material

What exactly is not classified?



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7022 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Lookes like it extends under the weapons bay, so it probably gave up it's sub mission.

On the P-3 the weapons bay (bomb bay) is just aft of the nose wheel well. Those holes in the aft end of the SLAR are the chutes for sonar buoy's. The web site has a picture of a P-3 with the weapons bay doors open. About half way down on first page.

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/us.../lockheed_martin/p-3/P-3_Orion.htm


User currently offlineN911ME From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 15):

What exactly is not classified?

What I said about the aircraft having fake bureau no.s, modexes, tail codes, etc. and being used for classified missions.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6894 times:

Quoting N911ME (Reply 17):
What I said about the aircraft having fake bureau no.s, modexes, tail codes, etc. and being used for classified missions

Oh, okay. No argument.

What we were alluding to is that those of us who actually have been cleared for, and trained on certain types of military missions are expected to remain silent about them long after we have departed the field, even after the basic mission has been declassified.

When a person who was never part of the mission makes statements regarding, they are speculating or repeating rumors. When a person who was part of it makes any statement they carry some weight in intel circles. So most of us who did this sort of thing still take it pretty seriously. My wife still does not know what I did in Vietnam, for example, and there are a couple of words that I will still not speak aloud - or post on the internet. Even at the time we often used substitute words just to form the habit of not speaking the real ones.



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User currently offlineN911ME From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6829 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 18):

Yes sir - I gotcha: no disrespect was intended in my statement. My father's retired Navy.....many things he still does not talk about.


User currently offlineLredlefsen From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6790 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
You know it wouldn't exactly surprise me to find out these birds spend a lot of time out of the Carribean using that SLAR to spot drug runners.

Especially when you consider where they are based.

Exactly what I was thinking. Also explains why it's OK to block the weapons pods -- they're not out hunting subs anymore.

*If* they're looking for drug runners, wouldn't they get more bang for the buck (1-2 more hours on station) by basing them even closer to the coast?

[Edited 2006-09-24 01:54:36]

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 20):
wouldn't they get more bang for the buck (1-2 more hours on station) by basing them even closer to the coast?

Very likely, but they would sacrifice response time for that. I don't know if we are actually DOING ANYTHING about the drug traffic other than monitoring it. Roughly fifty percent of Americans regard the importation of narcotics not as a problem but as the supply side of their shopping. But if we are still trying to interdict at the dropoff fields, I'm sure it takes some time to get our assets in place.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 6554 times:
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Here's another interesting aircraft. I can't find a single photo of it anywhere on the internet.





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