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Swedish Air Force To Get 2 C-17 Globemaster  
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

According to Boeing´s Gary Lesser they´re already building the first C-17.

Prize: 10 Bln SKr  eek 

Guess these Air Force Hercules are outdated....

Micke//  

[Edited 2006-10-04 23:37:29]


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8208 times:

My guess:

Someone saw the looming situation at Airbus (including Enders' warning today about the A400M) and figured they should move now.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8175 times:

Ok Canada get your ass in gear and order some already

User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8147 times:

I don't blame them, a competant military is not going to sit around waiting for aircraft that maybe years behind schedule.

Can't wait to see the new liveries.

[Edited 2006-10-05 02:27:29]

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

I guess I completely missed this order. When did the Swedish AF order these 2 C-17s?

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8105 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
I guess I completely missed this order. When did the Swedish AF order these 2 C-17s?

It's been rumored since before the hubbub about the RAAF and RCAF orders. Apparently they signed with little fanfare.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8065 times:

I remember reading earlier this year that the center-right parties favored buying the C-17 (part of their plan to solve problems that became evident when Sweden could not deliver aid to Swedes caught in the tsunami) and the socialist and left-wing parties that controlled the government were not in favor of doing so. With the right winning recently, the C-17 order stands a better chance of going through.


ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8056 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
I remember reading earlier this year that the center-right parties favored buying the C-17 (part of their plan to solve problems that became evident when Sweden could not deliver aid to Swedes caught in the tsunami) and the socialist and left-wing parties that controlled the government were not in favor of doing so. With the right winning recently, the C-17 order stands a better chance of going through.

More specifically, the opposition was due to anti-Americanism.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8033 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):

More specifically, the opposition was due to anti-Americanism.

Yes sadly enough. I later read that the specific point of critisism was that "deals with USA are excessively expensive" (which sounds like a poor excuse to be honnest).


User currently offlineChksix From Sweden, joined Sep 2005, 345 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7984 times:

Very good news! The old Hercs need replacement.


The conveyor belt plane will fly
User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7900 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Thread starter):
Prize: 10 Bln SKr eek

What? 10,000,000,000 SKr ??? That' are staggering 1,072,720,817€ !!! That are more than 500mil€ a piece ??? That can't possible be ... should be around 200-230mil€ ?


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
What? 10,000,000,000 SKr ??? That' are staggering 1,072,720,817€ !!! That are more than 500mil€ a piece ??? That can't possible be ... should be around 200-230mil€ ?

The price are included services,the price for the planes alone are 4 000 000 000 kr. (Nearly 500 000 000$)



It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

All of the Swedes here seem to be talking about it like it's a done deal, but I can't find any corroboration in English-language media. Anyone got a link?


When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
All of the Swedes here seem to be talking about it like it's a done deal, but I can't find any corroboration in English-language media. Anyone got a link?

This was the best i could do!  Smile

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...4/Sweden%e2%80%99s+new+vision.html



It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Not day-fresh but.... it was on the news in sweden today so i guess it will come something i English media soon.


It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Are this deal still on? how many C-130,s are we keeping when the C-17, are delivered?

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q3/060810c_nr.html



It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6452 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10):
What? 10,000,000,000 SKr ??? That are staggering 1,072,720,817€ !!! That are more than 500mil€ a piece ??? That can't possible be ... should be around 200-230mil€ ?

No, that sounds realistic. These are not airliners. They are much more complicated planes with rough landing capability, a lot of built in, combat related redundancies, passive and active defence systems etc.

The price probably includes a couple of spare engines, initial crew and mech training and setup of a local maintenance shop and such. But such planes do carry an unfriendly price tag.

A well equipped C-130J is cheaper than a B747-400. But not much cheaper. A lot less cheaper than you would imagine. I know because I recently bought a 1/5,000,000 share in four of them.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 16):
No, that sounds realistic. These are not airliners. They are much more complicated planes with rough landing capability, a lot of built in, combat related redundancies, passive and active defence systems etc.

No, even then its unrealistic. I think I will join SAS 340 in what he said ...

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 11):
The price are included services,the price for the planes alone are 4 000 000 000 kr. (Nearly 500 000 000$)

It is known that the C-17's fly-away-price is about 200mil€. With parts and services for the foreseeable future of their service life the original 10bil SKR make sense ...


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

Quoting CO737800 (Reply 2):
Ok Canada get your ass in gear and order some already

In a nutshell (I could go into this with great detail, but I won't), the problem is the US Government. They're raising security concerns about Canadians with dual citizenship having access to sensitive materials if we do a direct purchase with Boeing (this includes the Chinook purchase). They want Canada to ensure that dual citizens from certain countries don't have access. Even if we agreed to this demand we wouldn't be able to do it, as the Constitution forbids this kind of discrimination.

The US has said that we won't have any problems if we buy the C-17s via FMS. The big problem for Canada is this option will add 5% to the acquisition cost. Also, any offset deal(s) with Boeing will go right out the window.

The two Governments are discussing the matter and hopefully we can work this out.



Dreaming of the day I can work for an airline
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 18):
The US has said that we won't have any problems if we buy the C-17s via FMS. The big problem for Canada is this option will add 5% to the acquisition cost. Also, any offset deal(s) with Boeing will go right out the window.

The two Governments are discussing the matter and hopefully we can work this out.

Must be related to the softwood timber ruckus LOL paybacks suck.

As far as the C17 for Sweden, it's a good choice and it will serve you well. I was privileged to work in product development on the project and I saw the first flight-as well as the MD11 first flight by the way. A lot of the locations for hydraulic components and cable runs in the belly are mine because nobody else on my shift would work in there.
I did get to poke around the first one to see what my stuff looked like and rode the trolley down below. The floor beams are simply unparalleled.

The C17 was designed around a single task, which was to put an all up ready to kick ass M1 Abrams MBT on a 5,000 foot unimproved airstrip, while operating with 2 crew and a loadmaster. There's also bells and whistles for hauling cargo and paratroopers, but she's pressurized all the way.

Design of an airlifter is special. The customer says "Here's the load, here's what I want to do, build around that." Which we did. It is a beautiful thing, and I for one think there's nothing quite like it in use or on the drawing boards.


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