N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6226 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6827 times:
My guess:
Someone saw the looming situation at Airbus (including Enders' warning today about the A400M) and figured they should move now.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6745 times:
I guess I completely missed this order. When did the Swedish AF order these 2 C-17s?
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6226 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6724 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4): I guess I completely missed this order. When did the Swedish AF order these 2 C-17s?
It's been rumored since before the hubbub about the RAAF and RCAF orders. Apparently they signed with little fanfare.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6684 times:
I remember reading earlier this year that the center-right parties favored buying the C-17 (part of their plan to solve problems that became evident when Sweden could not deliver aid to Swedes caught in the tsunami) and the socialist and left-wing parties that controlled the government were not in favor of doing so. With the right winning recently, the C-17 order stands a better chance of going through.
ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6226 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6675 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6): I remember reading earlier this year that the center-right parties favored buying the C-17 (part of their plan to solve problems that became evident when Sweden could not deliver aid to Swedes caught in the tsunami) and the socialist and left-wing parties that controlled the government were not in favor of doing so. With the right winning recently, the C-17 order stands a better chance of going through.
More specifically, the opposition was due to anti-Americanism.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Agill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6652 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
More specifically, the opposition was due to anti-Americanism.
Yes sadly enough. I later read that the specific point of critisism was that "deals with USA are excessively expensive" (which sounds like a poor excuse to be honnest).
What? 10,000,000,000 SKr ??? That' are staggering 1,072,720,817€ !!! That are more than 500mil€ a piece ??? That can't possible be ... should be around 200-230mil€ ?
SAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6499 times:
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10): What? 10,000,000,000 SKr ??? That' are staggering 1,072,720,817€ !!! That are more than 500mil€ a piece ??? That can't possible be ... should be around 200-230mil€ ?
The price are included services,the price for the planes alone are 4 000 000 000 kr. (Nearly 500 000 000$)
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6226 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6490 times:
All of the Swedes here seem to be talking about it like it's a done deal, but I can't find any corroboration in English-language media. Anyone got a link?
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
SAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6481 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 12): All of the Swedes here seem to be talking about it like it's a done deal, but I can't find any corroboration in English-language media. Anyone got a link?
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6039 posts, RR: 55 Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6368 times:
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 10): What? 10,000,000,000 SKr ??? That are staggering 1,072,720,817€ !!! That are more than 500mil€ a piece ??? That can't possible be ... should be around 200-230mil€ ?
No, that sounds realistic. These are not airliners. They are much more complicated planes with rough landing capability, a lot of built in, combat related redundancies, passive and active defence systems etc.
The price probably includes a couple of spare engines, initial crew and mech training and setup of a local maintenance shop and such. But such planes do carry an unfriendly price tag.
A well equipped C-130J is cheaper than a B747-400. But not much cheaper. A lot less cheaper than you would imagine. I know because I recently bought a 1/5,000,000 share in four of them.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
PADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6087 times:
Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 16): No, that sounds realistic. These are not airliners. They are much more complicated planes with rough landing capability, a lot of built in, combat related redundancies, passive and active defence systems etc.
No, even then its unrealistic. I think I will join SAS 340 in what he said ...
Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 11): The price are included services,the price for the planes alone are 4 000 000 000 kr. (Nearly 500 000 000$)
It is known that the C-17's fly-away-price is about 200mil€. With parts and services for the foreseeable future of their service life the original 10bil SKR make sense ...
HanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 545 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5937 times:
Quoting CO737800 (Reply 2): Ok Canada get your ass in gear and order some already
In a nutshell (I could go into this with great detail, but I won't), the problem is the US Government. They're raising security concerns about Canadians with dual citizenship having access to sensitive materials if we do a direct purchase with Boeing (this includes the Chinook purchase). They want Canada to ensure that dual citizens from certain countries don't have access. Even if we agreed to this demand we wouldn't be able to do it, as the Constitution forbids this kind of discrimination.
The US has said that we won't have any problems if we buy the C-17s via FMS. The big problem for Canada is this option will add 5% to the acquisition cost. Also, any offset deal(s) with Boeing will go right out the window.
The two Governments are discussing the matter and hopefully we can work this out.
Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5929 times:
Quoting HanginOut (Reply 18): The US has said that we won't have any problems if we buy the C-17s via FMS. The big problem for Canada is this option will add 5% to the acquisition cost. Also, any offset deal(s) with Boeing will go right out the window.
The two Governments are discussing the matter and hopefully we can work this out.
Must be related to the softwood timber ruckus LOL paybacks suck.
As far as the C17 for Sweden, it's a good choice and it will serve you well. I was privileged to work in product development on the project and I saw the first flight-as well as the MD11 first flight by the way. A lot of the locations for hydraulic components and cable runs in the belly are mine because nobody else on my shift would work in there.
I did get to poke around the first one to see what my stuff looked like and rode the trolley down below. The floor beams are simply unparalleled.
The C17 was designed around a single task, which was to put an all up ready to kick ass M1 Abrams MBT on a 5,000 foot unimproved airstrip, while operating with 2 crew and a loadmaster. There's also bells and whistles for hauling cargo and paratroopers, but she's pressurized all the way.
Design of an airlifter is special. The customer says "Here's the load, here's what I want to do, build around that." Which we did. It is a beautiful thing, and I for one think there's nothing quite like it in use or on the drawing boards.
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