747400sp From United States, joined Aug 2003, 1888 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7758 times:
This could be bitter sweat, Because yes, a new carrier is come to the fleet, but this also means the is the begining of the end for the good old battlecat ( USS Kitty Hawk CV-63). After 2008 the roar of those giant diesel engines and the sight of a long black trail comeing from a none nuclear carrier will be gone.
KC135TopBoom From United States, joined Jan 2005, 7556 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7736 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1): After 2008 the roar of those giant diesel engines and the sight of a long black trail comeing from a none nuclear carrier will be gone.
Isn't Kitty Hawk, and JFK both powered by steam turbines, not diesel engines?
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7689 times:
The christening is great news! What a uniquely powerful ship, and well-named.
I might take this occasion to make note the crest for the U.S.S. George H. W. Bush, which includes an Avenger silhouetted against an F-18 silhouetted against a JSF. Excellent design.
All my best to this newly christened and mightiest of warships. May the wind be at her back!
I know this is an old nautical term wishing a ship good luck... but it's actually a bad thing for a carrier! The ship wants to head INTO the wind when launching and recovering aircraft. The headwind aids the aircraft.
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7515 times:
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4): I know this is an old nautical term wishing a ship good luck... but it's actually a bad thing for a carrier! The ship wants to head INTO the wind when launching and recovering aircraft. The headwind aids the aircraft.
I mean it in the best sense possible; but since what you say is also true, I wish for the winds to be in whatever direction is propitious for our good ship and its crew!
LMP737 From United States, joined May 2002, 3912 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7480 times:
Quoting LMP737 (Reply 6): Correct, both use "old fashioned boilers to produce steam for the turbines. Here's a picture of a BT lighting off a boiler on the Kitty Hawk.
Correction, as of 1996 the Boiler Tech and Machinist Mate ratings merged. They are now refered to as Machinist Mates.
Bringiton From United States, joined Sep 2006, 784 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6919 times:
Good ship , should become active in 2009 or so , I think they should go for atleast one more of the Nimitz+ design ( such as this ship) before commiting to the CVN-21 which can then enter service in full spec rather then start with the low spiral Anyway the next one would be USS bill Clinton and would be the first of the CVN-21 family of aircraft carriers !!
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6916 times:
Quoting Bringiton (Reply 13): Anyway the next one would be USS bill Clinton
If so, I wonder if they will be passing out cigars at the commissioning ceremony....
I think it's great that they're naming our supercarriers after Presidents. Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan, Bush, and the outgoing JFK. I also like the names, "Enterprise" and "Kitty Hawk".
Interestingly, among recent Presidents, there are no U.S. Navy ships named after Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, or William J. Clinton, and of course, none named after the current George Bush (which isn't surprising, since he's still in office). There's a nuclear submarine named after President Carter.
It can't be because of when the Presidents served, since Presidents Johnson, Nixon, and Ford all preceded President Carter. I think it's probably because of a combination of factors, including politics.
Bringiton From United States, joined Sep 2006, 784 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6905 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14): Interestingly, among recent Presidents, there are no ships named after Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, William J. Clinton, and of course, none named after the current George Bush (since he's still in office). There's a nuclear submarine named after President Carter.
The ships have to catch up to the presidents which are replaced far quicker then the ships need to be replaced , the USS bill clinton will be the next one followed by the G bush !!
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6901 times:
Quoting Bringiton (Reply 17): The ships have to catch up to the presidents which are replaced far quicker then the ships need to be replaced , the USS bill clinton will be the next one followed by the G bush !!
That's an interesting perspective, and it's worth considering. You could be right, although I think that there's also politics that goes into it -- as in that article I cited about a possible U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford, for example.
President Ford has just been admitted to the hospital again for a surgical procedure. He's getting on in years. I hope it makes it through okay.
Bringiton From United States, joined Sep 2006, 784 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6897 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18): That's an interesting perspective, and it's worth considering. You could be right, although I think that there's also politics that goes into it -- as in that article I cited about a possible U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford, for example.
President Ford has just been admitted to the hospital again for a surgical procedure. He's getting on in years. I hope it makes it through okay.
DEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6865 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
I think it's great that they're naming our supercarriers after Presidents.
But I don't think it's so great to be naming them after living persons. In my view, it somehow diminishes the honor and reduces it to political kowtowing.
UH60FtRucker From Afghanistan, joined Mar 2005, 2879 posts, RR: 67 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6864 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 21): Bill Clinton should have a carrier name in his honor. He was the best president the US had in my life time.
PS: That's my opinon
Well in all fairness... it has little to do with "great people" - otherwise we might have the USS Susan B Anthony.
Ships are usually named after individuals who have had some major impact on the Navy or who served admirably within the Navy.
Ronald Reagan and the 600 ship fleet
George Bush and his time as a young naval aviator
Theodore Roosevelt and his promotion of the great white fleet
and so on....
Just because he was "a great president" does not qualify him as worthy of a ship named after him.
Thorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 25, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6849 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 21): Bill Clinton should have a carrier name in his honor. He was the best president the US had in my life time.
If there's a Democrat in the White House when the next carrier needs to be named, the Navy might, with the greatest of reluctance name it USS W.J. Clinton. Otherwise, I think the chances that the Navy will name a ship after him approach zero. Clinton may have been popular with the public, but he was largely despised by the military, especially the Brass, for a wide variety of reasons. They won't willingly name a capital ship for a man who spent every year except election years slashing the Navy's budget and authorizing pay raises that didn't even keep up with inflation.
I'd prefer the next carrier be named Lyndon B. Johnson or Woodrow Wilson.
26 DL021: Yeah...but the next carrier will probably not be named after President Clinton who presided over a rather stark dismantling of the Navy with vessels
27 Thorny: Maybe, but that was easy for the Navy to go along with since Bush 41 was a Navy pilot in WW2. They don't hate him nearly as much as they hate Clinton
28 AerospaceFan: Would the dinghy on board the tug be named "Monica"? I'm sorry; that's rather mean of me.
29 BladeLWS: The next carrier is CVN-78, the new carrier design. It won't be after Clinton, and probably not a person either. I'm betting either on America or Unit
30 AerospaceFan: It occurs to me that one downside to having the same first and last name as former President George H. W. Bush is that the current President, George W
31 DL021: Yeah...the rationale was that he was the youngest pilot in the Navy (supposedly, I don't know if there's been a tremendous amount of research on that
32 AirSpare: Right On! There were a lot of young aviators, but as Prez? Read my lips George, I want my taxes lowered. I'd like to see a USS Monroe, maybe there wa
33 UH60FtRucker: Well see, like I said earlier, it has more to do with "How did the individual positively effect the US Navy?" than "was this a good person?" And I ag
35 DEVILFISH: It's not only the Navy that's represented there!
36 JGPH1A: Hmmm - still pretty tacky naming ships after people who aren't dead. Smack of politics. Same with airports.
37 StudeDave: It's only been done once up to this point... Do you now which one it is? Hint~ it's in service now. To the others who have had ships named after them
38 Thorny: USS Jimmy Carter. Same league as GHW Bush... lousy President as far as the military (and well, everybody else) is concerned, but a Navy man. Was Carl
39 StudeDave: So maybe it's happened twice~ that wasn't the one I was thinking of!!!
40 ANCFlyer: The way Clinton continually dicked over the military, no one would want to serve on a Carrier name USS Clinton . . . And I can only imagine the prote
41 Thorny: Hardly. The Camp David accords looked good at the time, but turned out to be disastrous (especially for Anwar Sadat!) Carter was an idiot President o
42 JGPH1A: Wasn't Reagan still alive when the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan was launched ? I'm fairly sure the decision to name it after him was taken while he was still
43 ANCFlyer: Yes, barely. Nancy attended the launching, Pres. Reagan could not. Camp David accords were not the only thing Pres. Carter got involved in after he l
44 L-188: I think the ship was in Argentina on it's way to the west coast after shakedown when president Reagan died. And yet no less then Tony Knowles told hi
46 LMP737: We can't forget about John Stennis contribution to the Navy when he was Chairman of the Senate Armed Service Committee. He definitely looked out for
47 Cancidas: why is the hull painted red below the water line while gray above it? well, i understad the gray but can someone explain the red?
48 JakeOrion: Its a thicker coat of paint. The part painted in red is underwater all the time, so a more special paint is used to help prevent rust, corrosion, and
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