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CVN-77, USS Bush, To Be Christened 10/7/06  
User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14555 times:

Last ship of the Nimitz class. CVN-77, USS George HW Bush

http://www.nn.northropgrumman.com/bush/christening.html




http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/CVN77-construct.jpg

http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/CVN77-props.jpg

http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/CVN77-Island.jpg

http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideair...arriers/CVN77-ReadytoChristen2.jpg

http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideair...carriers/CVN77-ReadytoChristen.jpg

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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14379 times:

This could be bitter sweat, Because yes, a new carrier is come to the fleet, but this also means the is the begining of the end for the good old battlecat ( USS Kitty Hawk CV-63). After 2008 the roar of those giant diesel engines and the sight of a long black trail comeing from a none nuclear carrier will be gone.  Sad

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14356 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1):
After 2008 the roar of those giant diesel engines and the sight of a long black trail comeing from a none nuclear carrier will be gone.

Isn't Kitty Hawk, and JFK both powered by steam turbines, not diesel engines?


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14309 times:

The christening is great news! What a uniquely powerful ship, and well-named.

I might take this occasion to make note the crest for the U.S.S. George H. W. Bush, which includes an Avenger silhouetted against an F-18 silhouetted against a JSF. Excellent design.

All my best to this newly christened and mightiest of warships. May the wind be at her back!

[Edited 2006-10-06 11:08:05]

User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14236 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 3):
May the wind be at her back!

I know this is an old nautical term wishing a ship good luck... but it's actually a bad thing for a carrier! The ship wants to head INTO the wind when launching and recovering aircraft. The headwind aids the aircraft.

Just a bit of irony.

-UH60


User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14222 times:

Normally yes, but not required.

-Check


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14205 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Isn't Kitty Hawk, and JFK both powered by steam turbines, not diesel engines?

Correct, both use "old fashioned boilers to produce steam for the turbines. Here's a picture of a BT lighting off a boiler on the Kitty Hawk.

< http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=34389 >


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14135 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
I know this is an old nautical term wishing a ship good luck... but it's actually a bad thing for a carrier! The ship wants to head INTO the wind when launching and recovering aircraft. The headwind aids the aircraft.

I mean it in the best sense possible; but since what you say is also true, I wish for the winds to be in whatever direction is propitious for our good ship and its crew!  

[Edited 2006-10-06 22:12:05]

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14100 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 6):
Correct, both use "old fashioned boilers to produce steam for the turbines. Here's a picture of a BT lighting off a boiler on the Kitty Hawk.

Correction, as of 1996 the Boiler Tech and Machinist Mate ratings merged. They are now refered to as Machinist Mates.

[Edited 2006-10-06 23:13:01]

[Edited 2006-10-06 23:15:04]

User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 13975 times:

I aattended the chistening today . It went pretty quickly but there was a lot of rain, thunder and lighting.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Isn't Kitty Hawk, and JFK both powered by steam turbines, not diesel engines?


Yes, they are steam ships but a boilers use DFM ( Diesel Fuel Marien) to heat there boilers up, so in a way they are diesel powered.  Wink


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

This thread, although about aircraft carriers, reinforces the case for an "Oceanliners.net" website with a naval forum.  Smile

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 3):
May the wind be at her back!



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):

I know this is an old nautical term wishing a ship good luck..

Reminds me of the last line on my separation letter, "Fair winds and following seas" - a distant 14 years ago. Or did I get that backwards?  old 



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13853 times:

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Oct...0,4670,BushAircraftCarrier,00.html

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 13678 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 10):
This thread, although about aircraft carriers, reinforces the case for an "Oceanliners.net" website with a naval forum.  Smile

Or "90,000 Tons of Diplomacy".net.

 Big grin

I saw a reference to the carrier that described it exactly that way.  Smile


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13539 times:

Good ship , should become active in 2009 or so , I think they should go for atleast one more of the Nimitz+ design ( such as this ship) before commiting to the CVN-21 which can then enter service in full spec rather then start with the low spiral Anyway the next one would be USS bill Clinton Wink and would be the first of the CVN-21 family of aircraft carriers !!

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13536 times:

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 13):
Anyway the next one would be USS bill Clinton  

If so, I wonder if they will be passing out cigars at the commissioning ceremony....

 

I think it's great that they're naming our supercarriers after Presidents. Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan, Bush, and the outgoing JFK. I also like the names, "Enterprise" and "Kitty Hawk".

Interestingly, among recent Presidents, there are no U.S. Navy ships named after Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, or William J. Clinton, and of course, none named after the current George Bush (which isn't surprising, since he's still in office). There's a nuclear submarine named after President Carter.

It can't be because of when the Presidents served, since Presidents Johnson, Nixon, and Ford all preceded President Carter. I think it's probably because of a combination of factors, including politics.

[Edited 2006-10-12 23:53:33]

User currently offlineExarmywarrant From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13530 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
If so, I wonder if they will be passing out cigars

 knockout 


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13530 times:

^^ I'm just kidding about the cigar thing.  Wink

Interestingly, there's a recent proposal to name the next supercarrier after President Ford:

http://www.woodradio.com/cc-common/m...s2.html?feed=125494&article=518072


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13525 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
Interestingly, among recent Presidents, there are no ships named after Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, William J. Clinton, and of course, none named after the current George Bush (since he's still in office). There's a nuclear submarine named after President Carter.

The ships have to catch up to the presidents which are replaced far quicker then the ships need to be replaced , the USS bill clinton will be the next one followed by the G bush !!


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13521 times:

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 17):
The ships have to catch up to the presidents which are replaced far quicker then the ships need to be replaced , the USS bill clinton will be the next one followed by the G bush !!

That's an interesting perspective, and it's worth considering. You could be right, although I think that there's also politics that goes into it -- as in that article I cited about a possible U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford, for example.  Smile

President Ford has just been admitted to the hospital again for a surgical procedure. He's getting on in years. I hope it makes it through okay.


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13516 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
That's an interesting perspective, and it's worth considering. You could be right, although I think that there's also politics that goes into it -- as in that article I cited about a possible U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford, for example.

President Ford has just been admitted to the hospital again for a surgical procedure. He's getting on in years. I hope it makes it through okay.

Here is a good read -

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13515 times:

^^ Thanks for the FAS Web link!  Smile

User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13493 times:

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 13):
Anyway the next one would be USS bill Clinton

Bill Clinton should have a carrier name in his honor. He was the best president the US had in my life time.

PS: That's my opinon


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13495 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 21):
Bill Clinton should have a carrier name in his honor. He was the best president the US had in my life time.

PS: That's my opinon

Tell that to the navy blokes(hierarchy)   !! 2 men the navy hates the most in recent years have to be Bill clinton and Dick Cheney!!

[Edited 2006-10-13 01:18:32]

User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13484 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):

I think it's great that they're naming our supercarriers after Presidents.

But I don't think it's so great to be naming them after living persons. In my view, it somehow diminishes the honor and reduces it to political kowtowing.



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13483 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 21):
Bill Clinton should have a carrier name in his honor. He was the best president the US had in my life time.

PS: That's my opinon

Well in all fairness... it has little to do with "great people" - otherwise we might have the USS Susan B Anthony.

Ships are usually named after individuals who have had some major impact on the Navy or who served admirably within the Navy.

Ronald Reagan and the 600 ship fleet
George Bush and his time as a young naval aviator
Theodore Roosevelt and his promotion of the great white fleet
and so on....

Just because he was "a great president" does not qualify him as worthy of a ship named after him.

-UH60


25 Thorny : If there's a Democrat in the White House when the next carrier needs to be named, the Navy might, with the greatest of reluctance name it USS W.J. Cl
26 DL021 : Yeah...but the next carrier will probably not be named after President Clinton who presided over a rather stark dismantling of the Navy with vessels
27 Post contains images Thorny : Maybe, but that was easy for the Navy to go along with since Bush 41 was a Navy pilot in WW2. They don't hate him nearly as much as they hate Clinton
28 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Would the dinghy on board the tug be named "Monica"? I'm sorry; that's rather mean of me.
29 BladeLWS : The next carrier is CVN-78, the new carrier design. It won't be after Clinton, and probably not a person either. I'm betting either on America or Unit
30 AerospaceFan : It occurs to me that one downside to having the same first and last name as former President George H. W. Bush is that the current President, George W
31 DL021 : Yeah...the rationale was that he was the youngest pilot in the Navy (supposedly, I don't know if there's been a tremendous amount of research on that
32 AirSpare : Right On! There were a lot of young aviators, but as Prez? Read my lips George, I want my taxes lowered. I'd like to see a USS Monroe, maybe there wa
33 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Well see, like I said earlier, it has more to do with "How did the individual positively effect the US Navy?" than "was this a good person?" And I ag
34 Post contains images DL021 :
35 Post contains images DEVILFISH : It's not only the Navy that's represented there!
36 JGPH1A : Hmmm - still pretty tacky naming ships after people who aren't dead. Smack of politics. Same with airports.
37 Post contains images StudeDave : It's only been done once up to this point... Do you now which one it is? Hint~ it's in service now. To the others who have had ships named after them
38 Post contains images Thorny : USS Jimmy Carter. Same league as GHW Bush... lousy President as far as the military (and well, everybody else) is concerned, but a Navy man. Was Carl
39 Post contains images StudeDave : So maybe it's happened twice~ that wasn't the one I was thinking of!!!
40 Post contains images ANCFlyer : The way Clinton continually dicked over the military, no one would want to serve on a Carrier name USS Clinton . . . And I can only imagine the prote
41 Thorny : Hardly. The Camp David accords looked good at the time, but turned out to be disastrous (especially for Anwar Sadat!) Carter was an idiot President o
42 JGPH1A : Wasn't Reagan still alive when the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan was launched ? I'm fairly sure the decision to name it after him was taken while he was still
43 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Yes, barely. Nancy attended the launching, Pres. Reagan could not. Camp David accords were not the only thing Pres. Carter got involved in after he l
44 L-188 : I think the ship was in Argentina on it's way to the west coast after shakedown when president Reagan died. And yet no less then Tony Knowles told hi
45 JetBlueGuy2006 : Where will it be the home port?
46 LMP737 : We can't forget about John Stennis contribution to the Navy when he was Chairman of the Senate Armed Service Committee. He definitely looked out for
47 Cancidas : why is the hull painted red below the water line while gray above it? well, i understad the gray but can someone explain the red?
48 JakeOrion : Its a thicker coat of paint. The part painted in red is underwater all the time, so a more special paint is used to help prevent rust, corrosion, and
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