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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Friends, Romans, Turnips.

While watching my DVD's of the greatest comedian of all time ever bar none Tony Hancock. in the episode ''There are airfields at the bottom of my garden'' in which, there is an airfield at the bottom of his garden  Wink footage of 1950's ish jet aircraft are shown, alot i know of, saber, canberra meteor and so on. 2 stand out as being fantastically odd, and Ive never seen them before. so i would like to know their names and a little more about them, thank you  Smile

i am afraid i could only photograph my TV screen, plus the fact the tv show is 50 years old, excuse the quality.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Gary2880/IMG_4276.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Gary2880/IMG_4280.jpg

Thanks!

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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3922 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Gary,

First one is an Avro Ashton, a Tudor rebuilt as a jet engine testbed.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3922 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Ah, and the second one is the Short Sperrin bomber (as it says on the tin). Primitive backup design for the V-bombers.

Ashton:

Yours has an extra jet underslung.

Sperrin:


Don't know anything about them really, but you can now google them.

Peter



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User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 1):
First one is an Avro Ashton, a Tudor rebuilt as a jet engine testbed.

And a very rare aircraft, nice call!

The second is the Short Sperrin which I understand was designed and built as an 'insurance policy' against the more advanced Vickers Valiant not being up to specification. In the end the Valiant was perhaps better than intended which meant that the Sperrin never went into production and the H.P. Victor and Avro Vulcan both had the luxury of more development time. The Sperrin was powered by four R.R. Avon engines and was considered quite a success, it was just that she was eclipsed by the Valiant by quite some margin very swiftly.

 ghost 



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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Thanks for all the info  Smile

Cool looking aircraft indeed, the 2nd one looks like a beast thats for sure. And the cockpit windows look so annoyingly small, amazed they could see a thing.

The rectangular engines is what caught my eye.


User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

The engine layouts are rather interesting. The two R.R. Avons stacked one above the other on the Sperrin was largely replicated in the slightly later E.E. Lightning although I think one of the Lightning's jet engines is stepped slightly forward of the other. The arrangement on the Ashton looks much more modern though in reality it is unusual to have two engines next to each other in the same 'pod', perhaps the Comet with two buried in each wing and Concorde might be exceptions to this. Was there not a Russian airliner with twin engines in each wing or am I thinking of the Myasischev M-4 (Bison)?

Other interesting engine arrangements that come to mind include the Martin XB-48 which had three jets podded together on each wing, the XB-70 Valkyrie with an incredible six jets in a line in the rear fuselage, and the French SNCASO Trident whose jets were podded on the wing tips.

 ghost 



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User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

http://www.newarkairmuseum.co.uk/aircraftlist.cfm

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/mus/uk/newk/press011.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Ashton



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 5):
The engine layouts are rather interesting. The two R.R. Avons stacked one above the other on the Sperrin was largely replicated in the slightly later E.E. Lightning although I think one of the Lightning's jet engines is stepped slightly forward of the other. The arrangement on the Ashton looks much more modern though in reality it is unusual to have two engines next to each other in the same 'pod', perhaps the Comet with two buried in each wing and Concorde might be exceptions to this. Was there not a Russian airliner with twin engines in each wing or am I thinking of the Myasischev M-4 (Bison)?

Perhaps thinking of the East German Baade Bb. 152 ? Shoulder-winged 4-engined airliner with dual engine pods under each wing.

Wikipedia link here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB-152
(text in German)



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User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 7):
Perhaps thinking of the East German Baade Bb. 152 ? Shoulder-winged 4-engined airliner with dual engine pods under each wing.

Thanks for the link. Never seen that one before, that is a solid looking aircraft!

 ghost 



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