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Air Force One Replacement?  
User currently offlineTUSaadvantage From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

As you all know, Air Force One has been a 747-200 for quite some time. Does anyone think its time for an upgrade? Should Bush upgrade to a 744, 777LR, or possibly a 787? Maybe he'll go eco friendly and get a BBJ (I doubt it though). Maybe an Airbus, to improve his standing with the French? I'd love to see him in a "pansy" French A380. Your thoughts?

[Edited 2006-10-16 08:07:38]

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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

744 is what i think he should fly in.


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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Wouldn't surprise me to see a 748. The current AF1 planes will be 21 years old by then (as AF1). Especially if the USAF is buying some for ABL aircraft anyway. Could be a package deal.


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User currently offlineSkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

New aircraft aren't needed and should only be ordered once spending has gone to everyting that is needed, so basically once the U.S. is in top 5 worldwide in education agian then maybe consider it.


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User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I could see the government maybe getting a 744. The issue is getting it retro-fitted to be a better "Flying White House" than the current AF1.

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Thread starter):
Maybe an Airbus, to improve his standing with the French? I'd love to see him in a "pansy" French A380. Your thoughts?

I love Airbus more than the next guy, but to indulge the thought that the American President will fly in a foreign assembled aircraft is laughable.
It would shake the American people to the core.



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User currently offlineTUSaadvantage From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 3):
once the U.S. is in top 5 worldwide in education agian then maybe consider it.

By the time that happens, if ever, AF1 will be a rust bucket. The government need not pay for the replacement. Bush can demand it for free. He is the president after all.  Wink


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The current AF1 came on line in 1988/89 time period. Based on the number of flight hours and cycles it still has a long life span left, and parts are still available.. the previous AF1 lasted nearly 26 years, so lets not spend $400 million non new planes (have to purchase at least two) just yet.

User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Thread starter):
Maybe he'll go eco friendly

Ahhh....don't hold your breath for that to happen...remember Kyoto Protocol?

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Thread starter):
Maybe an Airbus, to improve his standing with the French?

Only way this will happen now is when he leaves Washington in Jan. 2009.

Any AF1 replacement won't occur until after W leaves office...Bill-ary may get to fly in the new plane, or maybe John McCain.

I would guess 744 or 748 as well.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

First of all the VC 25A will stay around for a while. Remember who long the VC 137s (707s) were used ?
I would rule out the 747-400 since it won´t be in production anymore when it comes to a replacement.
Leaving only the 777 and the 747-8 as an option. Both airplanes are a realistic option and I guess it depends on how the priorities are. Does the US goverment want to give a signal and buy the little smaller more economic plane or will they go for prestige with a bigger 747.
I could very well imagine a VC777LR as "Air Force 1". Technology is getting smaller so they could get everything that they fitted in a 747-200 in a 777 now.
The 777LR would have the range to reach every possible destination nonstop.
Fuel consumption would be lower a good argument for the tax payers.
It would be cheaper to get if the AF decides for the KC777 as well.



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User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Chances are that it'll be quite some time (if ever) before the POTUS flies civil; and the current VC-25 is a military aircraft...

Why is this thread in CivAv?



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 3):
New aircraft aren't needed and should only be ordered once spending has gone to everyting that is needed, so basically once the U.S. is in top 5 worldwide in education agian then maybe consider it.

Whatever.

While the Federal Government does provide money for education, it is actually the responsibility of the STATES to provide funding. Money for presidential transport is frankly much more constitutional than federal spending on education. It may not be PC to say that, but it's reality.

And Bush aint gonna get to fly it, so it would be a matter of legacy, not of "I want to fly a new jet."

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
the previous AF1 lasted nearly 26 years

That isn't true, at least as AF1.

SAM 26000, the Kennedy's AF1 was from 1962. But SAM 27000, added in 1974, became the primary aircraft as AF1, with SAM 26000 relegated to backup duty. Thus, SAM 26000 was the primary AF1 for only 12-13 years, SAM 27000 was the primary AF1 for 16-17 years.

The first 742 arrived in 1990, and took over primary AF1 duties. SAM 28000 was the tail number. SAM 27000 replaced SAM 26000 as AF2 until the 757s came online. But SAM 27000 wasn't scrapped, so if you mean that it lasted 26 years (1972-1998) then that is true to the extent it served as a white house aircraft, but not as AF1.

29000 entered service in 1991, and it and 28000 have been interchangeable since. But both will have served LONGER as AF1 than either of the 707s by the time a 748i can be built and modified as a replacement (2012?). 21-22 years is a pretty long time, really. Technology has progressed quite a bit since then, and retrofitting the current 747s would be quite expensive.

Neither would act as AF2 in normal situations, though I would imagine there would be instances where one of the 742s would be designated AF2. But I doubt both 28000 and 29000 would be kept in presidential trim. The Air Force would convert one to other uses.

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
Does the US goverment want to give a signal and buy the little smaller more economic plane or will they go for prestige with a bigger 747.

It's got nothing to do with that. 4 engines.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 3):
once the U.S. is in top 5 worldwide in education agian then maybe consider it.

AF1 can quickly become an airborne command center in time of war, just as on 9/11. There is a need for such an aircraft.



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User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I don't think anyone will be in a big hurry to replace them. Such aircraft are 1 of a kind (or rather 2) and very expensive to build/modify. And there really isn't much need yet. the VC-25A, while originally based on a 742, has a lot of modifications and modernisations, including modern engines I believe, and is kept rather up-to-date. Moreover, while old in years, in cycles, which is what really counts, it still has lots of years of active service left..

IM


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The VC-25 has the best maintenance program that can be had. When was the last time you saw one divert for mechanical reasons? Those airplanes are kept in exquisite shape. They probably clean them after every trip to keep the silver exhaust cones gleaming. With the way they are kept, they will probably last as long or longer than B-52's or NW DC-9's.  duck 

User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2876 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Does anyone know how much does it cost (roughly) to replace Air Force One?

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 3):
is in top 5 worldwide in education agian

You take the lead . . . .

. . . . .

The VC-25s currently serving as Air Force One are relatively young in terms of cycles.

Furthermore, the cost to replace them will be enormous. Additionally, the time to build them will be lengthy. These 747-200 based aircraft currently in service were ordered during the Reagan administration when the 747-200 was still in production. By the time they were delivered, Boeing was already building a 747-400.

If USAF replaces the VC-25s, they will surely secure replacements with 747-8s.


Edit:

Quoting Elite (Reply 14):
Does anyone know how much does it cost (roughly) to replace Air Force One?

Wikipedia reports that the current VC-25s were $325 million, each. Account for inflation, etc, I'd make the bet a replacement will run $500 million, each.

[Edited 2006-10-16 11:44:32]

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Could your question possibly be more general in nature?


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Why would they switch to the 744 and not the 748 (if they switch at all?)

Quoting Wukka (Reply 9):
Chances are that it'll be quite some time (if ever) before the POTUS flies civil; and the current VC-25 is a military aircraft...

Why is this thread in CivAv?

picky-picky!


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
The 777LR would have the range to reach every possible destination nonstop.
Fuel consumption would be lower a good argument for the tax payers.

I belive they need to buy a 4 engine plane for the long over water trips.


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
The 777LR would have the range to reach every possible destination nonstop.

Does this matter? They can refuel the current VC10 mid-air anyways.... or can they???


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32747 times:

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Thread starter):
Your thoughts?

Maybe a search...? This question comes up all the time. The basics,, It's still very new, it low hours and very well maintenained. You will not see a new Air Force One for about 20 more years



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 32606 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 18):
I belive they need to buy a 4 engine plane for the long over water trips.

ETOPs negates this requirement. If it is true to the way the government orders such equipment, it will likely be a specially designed 777-300LR. the stretch of a 773ER with the range of a 772LR.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 32576 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
it will likely be a specially designed 777-300LR

Unnecessary as it will have in flight refuel capability, what ever airframe it is.


User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 32535 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 4):
I love Airbus more than the next guy, but to indulge the thought that the American President will fly in a foreign assembled aircraft is laughable.
It would shake the American people to the core

Well they have selected the Merlin EH101 over that S92 for the Marine Presidential helicopter flight.

Granted, it will be made my MD (I think) but it is still a European aircraft.


User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 32511 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 7):
Any AF1 replacement won't occur until after W leaves office...Bill-ary may get to fly in the new plane, or maybe John McCain.

The 742s were ordered during the Reagan administration and came into service during the Bush (I) administration. Even if the plane were ordered today, it is unlikely it would be built prior to the 2012 election.

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 12):
I don't think anyone will be in a big hurry to replace them. Such aircraft are 1 of a kind (or rather 2) and very expensive

Actually, there are more than that. Two aircraft are regularly used as AF1, but there are other planes built to similar spec which serve as the flying command center.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
ETOPs negates this requirement.

ETOPS does not apply to military aircraft.

As for the 777 versus 747 issue, I think it is likely that a new 747 would be ordered because of its distinctive profile. Even though the 777 really represents the current pinnacle of American aviation engineering, the 747 is still more recognizable.

Right now, even though the appropriation would be relatively small in US Government terms, it is unlikely that ordering new aircraft would get through the Senate. It is just too visable of a transaction, and the Democrats as well as the fiscal conservatives would make political hay out of further increasing the deficit just to "improve" Air Force 1.

Remember, that the 707s were not only falling apart, but way too small when they were replaced. There is no current size need to replace the 742s with a bigger plane.



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25 GeorgiaAME : And these people have the right to vote...
26 Post contains images Gh123 : Surely for the sake of presidential security - 4 engines would be better than 2 - right?
27 AA777223 : Totally agreed! First of all, Just because the VC-25 can refuel in mid-air, it has never been done with a president on board (that we know of) as it
28 BDL2DCA : That quote was actually me quoting N174UA... Not sure. It seems to me that there aren't many cases where you wouldn't either get catastrophic failure
29 Gh123 : Sure but average Joe public would feel more comfortable about there being 4 engines rather than two?! You can just imagine, on the day that they anno
30 Post contains images Daus : I would normally say there is no way they replace AF1 now, but keep in mind that Boeing owes fines to the feds for an amount somewhat equal to two 747
31 Mir : True. But, considering that the president may be in a position where coming down is not a desirable option, I think the ability to lose an engine but
32 Post contains images Jorge1812 : I would say they prefer to use a 4-engined a/c rather than 2-engines. Can't imagine (even with engines being high technology) to have the American Pr
33 BDL2DCA : That's not something I thought of. Very good point. Not to mention just flying around in giant loops over North America during an "emergency."
34 DeltaDC9 : Very well said TLC is more like it. The pride of those MX people is unrivaled. There probably isn't one square inch of that plane that you could not
35 Rbgso : While I'm sure Airbus would give the US Govt a good deal on an A380, do you think they could handle the special wiring required for this aircraft?
36 Post contains images Findigenous : They could sell it without wiring and let Boeing install it, just to make sure I, too, used to be a die hard Airbus fan, until Airbus died a few mont
37 Post contains images Jorge1812 : Ahh, a real and true Airbus Fan Georg
38 Post contains images Jorge1812 : Ahh, a real and true Boeing Fan Georg
39 Post contains images Claude : Sorry TUS... "'d love to see him in a "pansy" French A380".... A380 is really not 100% french you forgot Airbus UK, Airbus Germany, Airbus Spain, Furn
40 Post contains images Boeing Nut : Because the aircraft is a converted 747-200. I also believe that you will also see the "crown attic space" utilized for computer stations for a mini
41 KC135TopBoom : There is no need to replace the VC-25s. Remember, they are really custom built B-747-200Bs, using mostly the framing, landing gear, and wings from the
42 AirTran717 : I actually have the inside scoop on this one, as far as how many engines. I had an f/o I flew with that was assigned to AF1. There is an unspoken regu
43 Starlionblue : There are couple of problems with this. First of all, in flight refueling needs to be available on the route. Secondly, it's expensive. Thirdly, VC-2
44 Post contains images N328KF : Is that so?
45 Luv2fly : NW is still flying DC9's with way more flight hours on them then either of the current AF1's explain why we need to replace a perfectly good aircraft
46 AirTran717 : N328KF, cute. That's not what I meant and you know it. I believe the thread mentions AF1 and not fighter jets. Besides, I'd take his word over half of
47 N328KF : Well, now...does anyone know if Bush has ever flown on a C-32? Cheney definitely has.[Edited 2006-10-16 18:12:45]
48 QatarA340 : I would love to see an A380 in Air Force One colors. It will be huge--has the range to fly non-stop to Iraq and other countries, and has enough space
49 Dw747400 : The president uses C-32s (757s) and a variety of twin engine business jets, so though he may be correct for long international flights (which only th
50 Positiverate : Riiight. Which is why he flies on the 757 variant frequently.
51 AirTran717 : Sorry for stating the obvious, but Cheney is not the President. The thread asks about AF1. And only the President flies on AF1. Cheney's call sign is
52 Airfoilsguy : I belive he also does it when he wants to arive "low key".
53 AirTran717 : Anyway, as I said, this may have changed since 2000. But who am I but a guy who has flown with someone who served on AF1, right? Sheesh. And for offic
54 Greg3322 : I believe he has. Wikipedia had this to say: "Both President George W Bush and President Clinton have used a C-32 as Air Force One in place of the la
55 Zone1 : I think the US is just fine in education. How many Nobel prizes were won by Americans this year? That being said, I think they would buy the 747-8i o
56 Jerald01 : I vote that we keep the AF1 aircraft that we currently have: (1) It's paid for (oooooh have we, the taxpayers, been paying for it!) (2) It's American-
57 SparkingWave : The VC-25s are immaculately cared for. They will last a long time. They are also more advanced than the 744 in the way that the engines are designed t
58 Mush : Sure the President and his entourage weigh less than the 350 people on a commercial bird, but the Kevlar armour in the hull, the plate glass windows,
59 Post contains images Ikarus2006 : Sorry guys, could not resist... If we are talking of ego transport, then seeing the actual situation Air Force One should be an A380... If we want to
60 Mush : Great picture, but you do realize that that is not Air Force 1. It is in fact Navy 1. You see, the USN doesn't let the USAF land on their ships...mos
61 Virgin747 : I've seen a few threads about the VC-25 replacement pop around lately.... Is this the new trend once the NWA DC-9s ever does get replaced??? Also the
62 AirTranTUS : Hey, that's what the current one can do! Who would have thought the Americans would have built that already?
63 N328KF : I know that. But let's face it; the topic is really just referring to presidential transport in general. Get over it.
64 Post contains images Riyadhnurse : Wasn't it pres. Clinton that went to Everett Wa. to thank Boeing ,and greet the all the workers for the new Air Force One? Bush can fly on whatever,as
65 AirTran717 : The thread was called, "Airforce One Replacement?"... Not "Replacement of the President's general transports". No need to be a smartass N328. Come on.
66 Post contains images Boeing Nut : Try to keep in mind that this aircraft carries more than just the POTUS. It also carries support personnel of all types, press as well as other digni
67 Gregtx : The American people could care less. It would only bother us enthusiasts. Our Armed Services uses plenty of foreign equipment and components. I'll ag
68 Joni : You mean she, not he. It makes sense though: Boeing gets a juicy order (double markup) and Hillary gets to appear green. (I'm thinking of the B787, a
69 Post contains images Gary2880 : I think this would be a good vehicle to get Bush where he needs to go
70 EBJ1248650 : This makes sense to me. The -300LR type configuration gives you a larger airplane than the -200LR, so there's plenty of room for press corps, etc. An
71 Gh123 : Japan has 2 744 UAE (Dubai Air Wing) has 744 747sp - a few of them UAE Abu Dhabi - 747s And many other countries. And then the UK had to charter an o
72 Beefstew25 : Lame.
73 Post contains images Gary2880 : Picture says a thousand words?
74 Post contains images Gh123 : love it!
75 AADC10 : No way. The fuel efficientcy of a 777 is not very important for AF1 since it does not actually spend very much time in the air. If there is an engine
76 Post contains links and images Boeing Nut : It would take some obvious engineering upgrades, but this would be an option as well.... Modified Airliner Photos: Design © Fu Ling Yu Template © Ma
77 RIXrat : Despite some of the political hacking on this thread, let's get back to Air Force 1. AF1 is ANY fixed wing armed services aircraft that POTUS flies on
78 DAYflyer : Why buy it? The current one works just fine and only requires technology upgrades IIRC.
79 Dw747400 : Incorrect. As many have alluded too, each service has its own "One" Air Force One Marine One Army One Navy One Coast Guard One The first two comprise
80 Boeing Nut : This call sign is used for the First Lady on whatever aircraft she is on as well.
81 Dw747400 : I can tell you from personal experience, having flown into airports with the First Lady inbound on more than one occasion, that is not true. In fact,
82 Gh123 : If you look at the picture of that plane landing on the carrier with Bush on board, it very clearly says NAVY 1 on the side of it. Obviously painted
83 Dw747400 : Certainly some will have other opinions--I'm not denying that. But as a whole the VC-25As are the most instantly recognizeable government aircraft in
84 Pope : I agree that 95% of the American public couldn't distinguish an A380 from a 747 if their life depended on it. But I guarantee you that the President'
85 Columba : Imagine if Boeing would have decided against the 747-8 and would not produce any 4 engine aircraft anymore would that argument still be valid since t
86 Post contains images Johnny : I think we can rule out a Twin for the Air Force One-Replacement. I could imagine the B748I in about 10 years from now.
87 Post contains images AirRyan : Kyoto? If China would have agreed than Bush would have but it would have been economic suicide for US business to agree to the protocol if their main
88 Columba : Does the VC 25A have a 2 man or 3 man flightdeck ?
89 Brdcessna : How about we all take our hard earned tax money and put it to a better use than another AF1... While this is very much true lets put it to a vote, How
90 Post contains images DHHornet : A simple plane for a simpleton!
91 FXramper : Who gets the honor of flying AF1? Air Force pilots? Does anyone have information on the selection of the crews. Regards.
92 Kaddyuk : People (And Boeing) Need to wake up and smell the roses! The B748i (Based on the B744, Based on the B747 Classic) will be a 44 Year old design when th
93 Boeing Nut : And I can also tell you from more than one personal experience, that when she has flown into STL on the C-40 (BBJ) the call sign was "Exec One". I he
94 Supa7E7 : Since this thread is all speculation, this thread could go in Polls & Preferences. I will reccomend this, but sadly we should expect the thread will b
95 Boeing Nut : I suggest you take up your own advice. If you are going to make that type of comparison, you need to compare the 741 to the 748 to the A380. They all
96 Mason747 : I do believe that all aircraft that are owned by the US government are US made aircraft. I could be wrong, if so let me know. There is know way in hel
97 Kaddyuk : Really? You Thunk? There is alot more similar between the B741 and the modern B747's than just the fuselage... And its not just the technology in lin
98 Post contains images Gh123 : 747, Airbus whatever. At the same time however, I am sure that they will opt for Rolls Royce engines rather than GE or P&W - quality first.
99 Virgin747 : Atleast the Americans can spend on new material..... Canada's VIP i understand are ex-wardair birds modified.... even then our government threw a fit
100 Post contains images Brilondon : George Bush will be history before any decision on a replacemnt for AF1. Why does he not buy a Cessena 152 and fly himself some where far far away.
101 DZ09 : who says the US is not in top 5 in education. The US is #1 in education that matters. What matters is the quality of your engineers, doctors, archite
102 DZ09 : The current AF1 started service during Bush 41 presidency and is fairly new. I don't expect any replacement for at least another 10 to 15 years.
103 Jfk777 : The two AIR FORCE ONE 747's are 16 years old but much younger in use, how often do they fly, little it seems. The president probably flies 150 hours a
104 Dw747400 : I suppose it is possible security concerns could lead them to use another callsign, but it is certainly not the official standard. My sources are per
105 Boeing nut : And I can't swallow the fact that you seem to think that the A380 is a revolutionary design over the 741 when the structural designs of the aircraft
106 7cubed : No one seems to mind the new Marine one being of foreign decent or do they and I'm not hearing anything. I followed the Sikorsky offering and it seem
107 Post contains links and images Gabypn1992 : They not gonna change for a 787. Its to small for the USA president. If they wanna change, they gonna change for a A380 or something like that.Or like
108 Mkirch72 : that's never been a priority of this administration. why should they start now?
109 SkyvanMan : Exactly, if it isn't needed why get it. Then why buy a new one if the current one can perform that just fine, plus during 9/11 the airborne command c
110 Gregtx : I don't doubt that for a second...just liked Mulally better trade in his Lexus for a Ford for the same reason....but calling it catastrophic to the U
111 Baw716 : Re the 777 v. 747 argument: The Secret Service would nix a twin, so the 748 is likely the aircraft that would be the replacement for the current 742.
112 Post contains links and images B4real : As said by others, semi-moot because of refueling capabilities AND less than full load being used by the frame as it is equipped. Further, vechicles
113 SkyvanMan : Let me clarify then, K-12 education. We have great post-secondary and graudate educaiton (in temrs of hte top tiers and seocnd tiers) but K-12 public
114 ANCFlyer : Proof Positive he's correct: I find it interesting, and extremely comical, the number Bush Bashes in this thread dealing with PotUS' aircraft. Knowin
115 Charliejag1 : Don't forget NAOC . . .
116 Milesrich : When the VC-25's were ordered, the 747-400 was already in production, but the USAF did not want a "new" aircraft, so the two VC-25's were ordered inst
117 Airportguy : Last year I had a chat with a AF1 crew member and he stated that the 777 would be a likely replacement. The 777 is definitely large enough internally
118 Post contains images B4real : Well put.
119 DeltaJet757 : The next Air Force One should be a 744, 748 or 777LR. -DeltaJet757
120 Post contains images N1120A : Roy?? 1990 Wrong. Congress has the spending power, and can spend on what they want. There is no specific AF2 (no a specific AF1) Both VC-25As have th
121 Mush : Yes the argument would still be valid. If need be, the US Air Force would pay Boeing to reopen the line and build a few more. I'm not saying this is
122 PIA777 : I think we have more serious things to worry about. I don't think the President needs a new plane. The 707 flew for about 30 years. Lets keep these (t
123 Post contains images Baroque : The A380 might be so big he would get lost, but then again that would be the NEXT holder of the office and he might be worth keeping!
124 Post contains links and images Dalb777 : The C-32's are PW powered: View Large View MediumPhoto © A J Best Edit: I came across this C-32, which is RR powered: [Edited 2006-10-17 07:53:3
125 Boeing Nut : Understood sir. Regards
126 Propjett : Do you have inside knowlege of this factoid?
127 Propjett : Ex Avianca (Civilian Aircraft) Operated By the State Department for For Foreign Emergency Defense or something of that nature.
128 Post contains images Rampkontroler : Sorry for the cruddy shots, but if I knew what I was shooting I may have been a little more careful, plus, it was pretty dark out. (I know...excuses e
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