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Presidential Helicopters, Shipping Vs Ferrying  
User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Obviously shipping them is the only option when flying abroad, but why not just fly them when within the US? I understand if it is a wear n tear issue, but even on trips just a couple hundred miles away, wouldn't it make more sense?

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User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

My guess would be the following~

There are only so many of those birds to go around. If they were flying to points where the PoUS is heading, what happens if his plans change? The birds would be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and now he's got to take a cab. Even worse, what do you do if one breaks down enroute? I'd imagine secrurity would also come into play. These things wouldn't just drop in anywhere without at least a little security...

I've seen the VH-60s once or twice, and it's something to watch. I feel for those Marines in HMX-1~ they work hard for a living!!!  bigthumbsup  On one occasion they came here to North Island two days before Mr. Clinton. They unloaded their helos from the C5, and went right into the hanger to put them together. The next day the birds went flying. The first flight was a check flight, the next couple were 'fam' flights. When the President showed up he decided that he wanted to ride around San Diego in the limos from the C141 that followed him in 'AF1'. So they waited till he left, broke the birds down, stuffed them back into the C5, and were on their way to his next stop. Yup, ya gotta love that guy!?!?!?  banghead 



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3229 times:
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Quoting StudeDave (Reply 1):
So they waited till he left, broke the birds down, stuffed them back into the C5, and were on their way to his next stop. Yup, ya gotta love that guy!?!?!?

I don't see the big deal here, even if Mr Clinton and hs party had intended to use the limos in their inital planning the helos would still be there ready to do their job.. just in case.

The infrastructure surrounding the President was not created by Bill Clinton.



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User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Have you ever broke an H60 down to be 'airlifted'? It's a lot of work!!! I'm just saying, that as a maintainer, I know I'd not be too happy to go to all the trouble of flying cross-country, getting the birds ready to fly, and making the check/fam flights, only to watch him ride away from AF-1 in a limo- snarling traffic all over San Diego at rush hour, BTW!!!
Knowing how many man-hours that go into every flight hour, and the time of day we're talking about- I'm just saying that it would have been a better call to use the helos~ and that didn't happen...



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3181 times:
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Quoting StudeDave (Reply 3):
Have you ever broke an H60 down to be 'airlifted'? It's a lot of work!!! I'm just saying, that as a maintainer, I know I'd not be too happy to go to all the trouble of flying cross-country, getting the birds ready to fly, and making the check/fam flights, only to watch him ride away from AF-1 in a limo- snarling traffic all over San Diego at rush hour,

If the only mission for those helos was transportation I could see your point, however all the presidential helos have continuity of govt as a secondary mission. As such they must be available wether planned for use or not.



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3121 times:
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Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 4):
I'm just saying, that as a maintainer, I know I'd not be too happy to go to all the trouble of flying cross-country, getting the birds ready to fly, and making the check/fam flights, only to watch him ride away from AF-1 in a limo- snarling traffic all over San Diego at rush hour,

I understand your frustration but if you feel that way.. perhaps HMX-1 is not the ideal duty assignment for you.



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User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):
perhaps HMX-1 is not the ideal duty assignment for you

You got that right- I do enough tail-chasing in a regular Fleet Unit!!! Besides, being in the NAVY, they'd never have me anyway!!!  box   laughing 

Well, that and the fact that I just checked in to my last squadron- I'll be retiring in a little less then two years... THANK GOODNESS!!!  highfive   bigthumbsup   crossfingers 



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User currently offlineMohavewolfpup From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 3):
I know I'd not be too happy to go to all the trouble of flying cross-country, getting the birds ready to fly, and making the check/fam flights, only to watch him ride away from AF-1 in a limo- snarling traffic all over San Diego at rush hour, BTW!!!

this is known as job security  Wink better to be kept busy in a job, rather then sitting on the side lines and getting handed walking papers because your unit is just wasting money polishing the paint and keeping the interior clean all the time in a hangar!


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