Fireblade From Portugal, joined Feb 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
Could a su-25 and galeb G4 be effectivally replaced by M-346 in ground strike and training?
The weapons carried include: MK82 500 lb and MK83 1000 lb free fall or retarded bombs; Rocket launchers; AIM-9 Sidewinder short range air-to-air missiles; R-73 (AA-11 Archer) short range air-to-air missiles; 23 or 30 mm gun pods: Raytheon AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missiles; Alenia Marte MK-2A anti-ship missiles. The external hard points can also carry the Vinten VICON-601 reconnaissance pod, laser designator pod, radar warning receiver pod and Elettronica ELT-55 electronic countermeasures pod.
23.5 sq ft
T.O.( trainer )
Weapon load (max)
T.O.( armed )
Pressurized and air conditioned cabin with two Martin Baker zero-zero MK 16 ejectable tandem seats, staggered in height.
Internal Fuel capacity
Performance (Clean, ISA)
Max Level Speed
Rate of climb
(landing, 20% fuel)
Range Clean /2ext.tanks
2030 / 1400 nm
T.O. ground run
Landing ground roll
Limit Load Factor + 8 g -3 g
Sustained Load Factor (15000 ft)
Sustained Turn Rate
AndrijaG4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
M-346 can carry a weapons load of 3000 kg.
Su-25 can carry 4400 kg. Plus M-346 needs gun pods, Su-25 has a gun already. So no, M-346 can't replace Su-25. It is better for Mkd to operate G4M (it can use AGM-65 & R-60 - Mkd doesn't need anti-ship missiles) and Su-25. Also it is cheaper.
I also think Mkd should acquire 10-12 MiG-21s and have them upgraded to MiG-21-93 (or MiG-21-2000).
Battleborgcube From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2359 times:
Su-25 is greatest ground strike but g4 is a lousy trainer [compared with m-346,of course g4 is much older than m-346] but if you want to save money because of operating 1 aircraft it's cheaper than 2 why not?
You got an excellent [the best]jet armed trainer and if you don't want to go in some air battles [because all of your neighbours have good afs and you're peacefull right?] the M-346 will do?
AndrijaG4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2359 times:
modernized G4M can carry all the weapons that M-346 can other than anti-ship missiles. Sure, it's not as great for training, but Mkd doesn't have F-16s, MiG-29s or Su-27s so doesn't need the extra training capability.
AndrijaG4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Well if you look at the new JSF which is around 40 mil$, 15 mil$ is not that much. For Western countries anyway. But if you compare it to F-16A which cost about 20 mil$ I believe then it's a 'bit' expensive.
I'll try to find the G4 price and post it.
AndrijaG4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
Well I was comparing it to the older-generation aircraft (yes I know F-16A is no longer in prod.) and in that respect it seems expensive, but if you compare to the newer generation aircraft it's not as expensive (like JSF - 40 mil$). But still I wouldn't buy it.