2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5212 times:
* Maximum speed: Mach 2.27 (1,500 mph, 2,415 km/h) at altitude
* Range: 800 mi (1287 km) combat, 1,560 mi (2,500 km) ferry
* Service ceiling: 60,000 ft (18,000 m)
* Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (255 m/s)
* Wing loading: 87.9 lb/ft² (428.6 kg/m²)
* Thrust/weight: 0.63
The original poster didn't specify in service.....
Art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2937 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5157 times:
I think that the "best bomber we never had", the TSR2, was potentially the fastest British military aircraft built:
"Flight 14 was XR219's trip to Warton, during which it went supersonic for the first and only time. TSR.2's performance was shown to good effect on this flight; when Beamont engaged reheat on a single engine, the chase aircraft (a Lightning T.5, a mach 2 aircraft and certainly no slouch) was left behind despite engaging reheat on both of its engines!"
I say potentially the fastest since I have read elsewhere that while it had the power and aerodynamics to exceed mach 2.5, the airframe was not designed to withstand the temperatures that would result from flight at such speed .
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5101 times:
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Quoting RAPCON (Reply 6): Wiki says that the GR4 has a maximum speed: Mach 2.34
N215AZ From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4999 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3): The original poster didn't specify in service..... Wink
Fastest in service
Thanks though,
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EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4837 times:
Irish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 925 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4799 times:
Quoting RAPCON (Reply 6): Wiki says that the GR4 has a maximum speed: Mach 2.34, 2,417.6 km/h (1,511 mph). And that's "wikiality".
Recent discussions on www.pprune.org by people directly connected with RAF Tornado ops suggest that it would get nowhere near Mach 2.34 - more like Mach 1.4 when really pushed. Carriage of external stores and the effect of other airframe add-ons which the types has acquired during its service life has a direct impact on its speed capability as well.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4739 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4753 times:
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 10): With the Typhoon's ability to supercruise, don't you think it's top end speed is higher than Mach 2.1?
Ability to supercruise is pushing it a bit... it can supercruise without weapons/fuel stores... not much point in being able to do that...except on the return home when it's trying to outrun its enemies.
The F22 can supercruise both to and from its target with weapons.
Art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2937 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4711 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16): Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 10):
With the Typhoon's ability to supercruise, don't you think it's top end speed is higher than Mach 2.1?
Ability to supercruise is pushing it a bit... it can supercruise without weapons/fuel stores... not much point in being able to do that...except on the return home when it's trying to outrun its enemies.
Quoting RAPCON (Reply 6): Quoting Art (Reply 5):
", the TSR2, was potentially the fastest British military aircraft built
Nah, just a bit slower than the Tornado & Lightning.
I doubt it. It was able to achieve in excess of mach 2 with 1 afterburner lit. This would be in spite of having to overcome the considerable extra drag involved in overcoming the yaw effect of asymmetric thrusts either side of the longtitudinal axis. Removing these losses by lighting the second afterburner and increasing thrust by ca 10.000lb would, I think, certainly result in a speed in excess of mach 2.3 ie higher than than the highest speed claimed for either the Lightning or the Tornado.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4579 times:
Quoting RAPCON (Reply 1): TORNADO ADV (even faster than the TSR-2
Isn't the Tornado a sort of TSR3 anyway - incorporating many of the lessons learnt in the TSR2 design process?
N215AZ From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4539 times:
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GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12706 posts, RR: 80 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4538 times:
Scouseflyer, partly true.
The RAF required a low level strike aircraft true, while TSR.2 would have been preferred, it was clear that even had it entered service, numbers would have been small-the replacement-subsequently cancelled but around the same size and price, the F-111K, only had an order of 50 machines.
Having been convinced that the only way to get an all new aircraft, one that also retained the large UK design influence-unlike a straight offshore buy-even with licenced production, was through European collaboration, they were prepared to accept something smaller in what became the MRCA, later Tornado.
Since the 'sub strategic' element of TSR-2, replacing some V-Bombers to dedicated theatre nuclear strike declared to NATO, was dropped, this would be no biggie.
It also allowed the planned new aircraft to replace a much wider range of types.
As it turned out, the RAF got 220 of the IDS Tornado, replacing German based Jaguar units, as well as Vulcans and Buccaneers.
That the basic Tornado platform could be adapted for the specialised requirement for an interceptor, for the all weather, heavy ECM enviroment, over the vast areas of UK airspace and Eastern Atlantic, only made it even more attractive.
Though this was only confirmed in 1976, two years after the prototype Tornado had first flown, after an evaluation of other, US types.
Areopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1356 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4521 times:
Some dusty old neurons fired to suggest the Bristol 188 as a possible Fastest British Military(-funded research) jet. But it turns out that the highest speed it achieved was, ironically enough, Mach 1.88. It must have been exciting to fly, with a takeoff speed of nearly 300mph.
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