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Usaf Settles With N.J. Elementary School  
User currently offlineGrandTheftAero From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 254 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

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Associated Press

USAF Settles With N.J. Elementary School Accidentally Strafed by F-16

Wednesday, November 01, 2006

LITTLE EGG HARBOR, N.J. — The Air Force will pay more than $500,000 to an Ocean County elementary school that was mistakenly shot by an F-16 on a training maneuver two years ago.

Under a settlement announced Wednesday, the Air Force will pay $519,070 in compensation to the Little Egg Harbor Intermediate School. The building was damaged by 27 rounds of inert 20mm ammunition from an air cannon mounted on the plane during a Nov. 3, 2004 nighttime mission over the New Jersey Pinelands.

The military blamed the pilot for the accident, but also said poorly designed controls in the F-16 played a role.

"The Air Force has done the right thing," said state Rep. Jim Saxton. "Their agreement goes a long way towards repairing the actual damages to the school building as well as keeping their relationship with the community healthy."

School officials did not immediately return a call seeking comment Wednesday.

No one was injured in the mishap, which rattled the southern Ocean County region surrounding the Warren Grove Gunnery Range. Eight of the 2-inch lead rounds punched through the school's roof, knocking down ceiling tiles.

At least one round struck a child's desk, and others scuffed the asphalt in the parking lot. The rounds explode on impact when they are live.

Anyone familiar with the F-16 know how "poorly designed controls" could contribute to the accidental shooting of a school?

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

I don't know but I do remember when this story broke and all the administrators where concerned that the kids might be "Scared" because of what happened, in particular with that desk that got split in two.

If it happened to my desk when I was a kid scared wouldn't have been my reaction....more on the order of COOOOLLLLLL!!!!



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User currently offlineRC135U From United States of America, joined May 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
I don't know but I do remember when this story broke and all the administrators where concerned that the kids might be "Scared" because of what happened, in particular with that desk that got split in two

Ah...NJ school administrators. They'll no doubt have that money spent in no time. Here in NJ the teacher's union is the most powerful lobby around, making the education "industry" pretty expensive. Our local high school has a principal, three vice principals, and two people with the title of Dean of Students. That's probably about $750,000 in salaries and benefits for those six bureaucrats. Please tell me it ain't like that in Alaska!


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting RC135U (Reply 2):
Please tell me it ain't like that in Alaska!

Worse, the local school district here just got two contacts for the teachers shot down...Apparently they wheren't happy with 7 percent raises over two years.



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3132 times:
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Quoting GrandTheftAero (Thread starter):
27 rounds of inert 20mm ammunition



Quoting GrandTheftAero (Thread starter):
Eight of the 2-inch lead rounds punched

I appreciate much of the US population have not taken the metric system to heart, especially the media but I am reasonably confident the students of Little Egg Harbor Intermediate School, as "traumatised" as they may be, could explain the difference between 20mm and 2-inch.

Cheers



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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 4):

I appreciate much of the US population have not taken the metric system to heart, especially the media but I am reasonably confident the students of Little Egg Harbor Intermediate School, as "traumatised" as they may be, could explain the difference between 20mm and 2-inch.

Maybe that was the thing with "poorly designed controls"? They might not have upgraded the controls when they installed the 50mmm gun on the plane Big grin


User currently offlineJalto27R From United States of America, joined May 2004, 857 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting RC135U (Reply 2):
Ah...NJ school administrators. They'll no doubt have that money spent in no time. Here in NJ the teacher's union is the most powerful lobby around, making the education "industry" pretty expensive. Our local high school has a principal, three vice principals, and two people with the title of Dean of Students. That's probably about $750,000 in salaries and benefits for those six bureaucrats. Please tell me it ain't like that in Alaska!

I go to a NJ Catholic High School for a reason  Wink . I remember over the summer, going to my cousin's graduation in Georgia, and the special guest being the superintendent. There was only one for the entire county. It's quite sad that I find such a fact that amazing.

Mike

[Edited 2006-11-05 17:48:44]

User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

The school must have good laywers. IIRC, this incident happened during a night time exercise. There was really no danger to the kids since they were all home. I would think the events involving school shooting where fellow classmates are holding the guns would be more traumatic. Did the USAF really need to pay over half a million dollars to repair the roof, replace the ceiling tiles, resurface the parking lot and buy a new desk?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 4):
20mm and 2-inch.

Diameter and length of the shell



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
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Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Diameter and length of the shell

Nuh..checked that, length is 2.98 inches.
I guess a dumb media hack, conditioned to thinking $2.99 is not $3.00 would consider it 2 inches
Media rounding .98 down is as bad/stupid as confusing 20mm with 2in.

cheers

[Edited 2006-11-05 22:25:38]


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 9):
shell

Nuh..checked that, length is 2.98 inches.
I guess a dumb media hack, conditioned to thinking $2.99 is not $3.00 would consider it 2 inches
Media rounding .98 down is as bad/stupid as confusing 20mm with 2in

So the media rounded....Have never heard of a Boeing 747 Airbus?



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User currently offlineRC135U From United States of America, joined May 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting Jalto27R (Reply 6):
I go to a NJ Catholic High School for a reason

Yet your family still has to pay their property taxes to cover public education. Big joke this week is the Teachers Convention in Atlantic City on Thursday and Friday. Curious it can't occur in the summer or on a weekend, and not that many attend. Mini vacations for many, and to add an aviation theme to this post, many sneak away to Orlando with the kiddies who are also
off during the convention.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting GrandTheftAero (Thread starter):
Anyone familiar with the F-16 know how "poorly designed controls" could contribute to the accidental shooting of a school?

The trigger for the cannon system is also the trigger for the laser system depending on the position of a switch. If you try to use the range finder with the switch in the wrong system you get a little surprise.


User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

The range at Warren Grove, NJ, where during my first 2 years in the serivce I sometimes got stuck helping the Range Officer with coordinating movement with ATC, has been around long before any school or nearby subdivisions. While there is no doubt that the pilot blew it, maybe the school authorities should take a deep long look at themselves for building a school near a gunnery range (btw, no HE is ever used at Warren Grove, only practice bombs and training rounds for the guns).


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