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US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey  
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1572 posts, RR: 24
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10425 times:

It is now in the news that ,Turkey's decision to buy 100 F-35's is approved by US senate.Turkey is also participating the programme as a supplier of some airplane parts.

Turkey is planning to replace the modified F4E 2020's with the F35''s and the F16s in the long run.Turkish airforce wanted to continue 160 more F35's in the long run to keep the commonality,but the government looks warm to purchase of Eurofighter to strenghten their hand in membership negotions with EU.


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10384 times:

Good to see some more international clients of the product- I assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10374 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
Good to see some more international clients of the product- I assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?

You'd think, but on the other hand, it seems that commonality between the F-35A and F-35B would permit acquisition of both types at what ever ratio a particular operator may wish.



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10321 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?

As far as the Turkey's needs dictate the planes will be land based.A Vstol type airplane is more needed by a force which is deployed other than its main bases and maybe with the countries have interests outside of its national land.

Geographical position of Turkey itself makes it actually a giant aircraft carrier with 3 sides of the mainland has shores to the most important seas around its region.

So land based airplanes are always interest of the TAF rather than multipurpose one.Anyways addition of F16's were the giant leap for TAF is almost like coming from the medival times to today,F35 will shoot TAF directly among the top airforces in the world.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10312 times:

Quoting Wing (Reply 3):
F35 will shoot TAF directly among the top airforces in the world.

Agreed. I saw a Turkish news report where some of the F35 production will be allocated to Turkey (midsections for 400?) if they opt for the JSF.

BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s? If all these are delivered what will be the final inventory? 250+?



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10263 times:

Would this make Turkey only the second partner country (next to the UK) to commit to buying the JSF? It may have ripples on the IAF's decision on their 126 fighter acquisition.


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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10251 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s? If all these are delivered what will be the final inventory? 250+?

As far as I know the F16's which are produced in the Turkish factory were 360,the the ones delivered ready in the USA are not included.Recently Turkey ordered 55 more F16s (30 of the block 52) to replace its operational losses up to now.



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10222 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):

BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s?

You forgot posting in this thread?.....

Turkey Wants 30 F-16 Block 52 Plus (by TK787 Aug 1 2006 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)  Smile



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7):
You forgot posting in this thread?..

No, but I can't sort out the numbers! That article mentioned Turkey wanted 30 more F-16s and 100 "new fighter aircraft".

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s? If all these are delivered what will be the final inventory? 250+?

This is what I forgot! So another 100 takes them over 350!



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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 8):
No, but I can't sort out the numbers! That article mentioned Turkey wanted 30 more F-16s and 100 "new fighter aircraft".

Yes I also had the same difficulty to understand the numbers.After a conversation with one of my pilot collegues who very recently retired from the AF,Turkey wants a batch of airplanes to replace the ops.losses so far and the replace the remaining F4Es after the terminator 2020 project cancelled.These will come from the desert storage and will be second hand.

Another batch of F16s which will be block 50 (which numbers are pronounced around 30) will be used to form a new squadron and will be brand new planes.

This is my understanding of the total numbers add up to around 55.The total number of F16s in TAF will be around or higher than 400 with these additions.With the high standard of training and actual combat environment experience TAF makes a real scary opponent for bad guys.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10057 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
I assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?



Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
You'd think, but on the other hand, it seems that commonality between the F-35A and F-35B would permit acquisition of both types at what ever ratio a particular operator may wish.

It sounds like the TAF wants the F-35A, the land based USAF version. I thought the F-35B was the CV based USN version, and the V/STOL version was the USMC version to be called the F-35C.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 5):
Would this make Turkey only the second partner country (next to the UK) to commit to buying the JSF? It may have ripples on the IAF's decision on their 126 fighter acquisition.

The IDF will probibly want a version of the F-22A/B (F-22I?). With the Democrates taking Congress this week, I suspect it will be easier for both the IDF and the JSDF to get the F-22.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10021 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
It sounds like the TAF wants the F-35A, the land based USAF version. I thought the F-35B was the CV based USN version, and the V/STOL version was the USMC version to be called the F-35C.

You have the Lightning B and C swapped.



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User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9940 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
easier for both the IDF and the JSDF to get the F-22

Hopefully you can add the RAAF to that list.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=economy&alt=&trh=20061203&hn=38903
"Turkey gets a final offer for the Eurofighter."
I guess the saga continues.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9548 times:

Also reported here.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...er-makes-turkey-an-offer/index.php

Meanwhile, there's this.....

http://www.f-16.net/modules.php?op=m...ame=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6989

.....and these.....
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...to+BAE+Systems+Saudi+aircraft.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...as+company+fears+fallout+from.html

It seems like both programs have their fair share of aggravations. Might we see Lightnings or Typhoons diverted to Turkey instead?



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User currently offlineDomokun From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9523 times:

Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
the government looks warm to purchase of Eurofighter to strengthen (sic.) their hand in membership negotiations (sic.) with EU.

Planes simply cannot fix that whole headache. Turkey has had a longstanding application; my suspicion is a fighter purchase would not speed up the process.


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9437 times:

If I was ordering 100 F-35s I would want a maybe, 70/30 mix of A/B. In today's war, it seems that a regular fighter base would be decimated quickly. I would maintain 20 STOVL bases and move small groups of 2-4 of F-35B around them, keeping a weapon storage at each.

IIRC Canada does something similar to that on a much smaller scale, the CAF sends 2 CF-188s to a far northern base to do periodic patrols of the far northern regions.

In the event of a major attack, either the outlying bases get hit first, warning the main forces of an attack, or the main bases get hit first and the STOVL bases have time to scramble.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9221 times:

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&trh=20061228&hn=39554

Lockheed Martin to upgrade 216 TAF F-16s, and some more interesting news.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8964 times:

So looks like a done deal.
Turkish Secretary of Defence travelling to the US on Monday to sign the papers for the 100 F-35s.
The link on Reply 17 says it all.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8812 times:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=101012

So, only bit of new info is the number of F-35s could be 116 eventually.


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