Wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1552 posts, RR: 24 Posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9709 times:
It is now in the news that ,Turkey's decision to buy 100 F-35's is approved by US senate.Turkey is also participating the programme as a supplier of some airplane parts.
Turkey is planning to replace the modified F4E 2020's with the F35''s and the F16s in the long run.Turkish airforce wanted to continue 160 more F35's in the long run to keep the commonality,but the government looks warm to purchase of Eurofighter to strenghten their hand in membership negotions with EU.
Wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1552 posts, RR: 24 Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9605 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1): assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?
As far as the Turkey's needs dictate the planes will be land based.A Vstol type airplane is more needed by a force which is deployed other than its main bases and maybe with the countries have interests outside of its national land.
Geographical position of Turkey itself makes it actually a giant aircraft carrier with 3 sides of the mainland has shores to the most important seas around its region.
So land based airplanes are always interest of the TAF rather than multipurpose one.Anyways addition of F16's were the giant leap for TAF is almost like coming from the medival times to today,F35 will shoot TAF directly among the top airforces in the world.
Wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1552 posts, RR: 24 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9535 times:
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4): BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s? If all these are delivered what will be the final inventory? 250+?
As far as I know the F16's which are produced in the Turkish factory were 360,the the ones delivered ready in the USA are not included.Recently Turkey ordered 55 more F16s (30 of the block 52) to replace its operational losses up to now.
Wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1552 posts, RR: 24 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9403 times:
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 8): No, but I can't sort out the numbers! That article mentioned Turkey wanted 30 more F-16s and 100 "new fighter aircraft".
Yes I also had the same difficulty to understand the numbers.After a conversation with one of my pilot collegues who very recently retired from the AF,Turkey wants a batch of airplanes to replace the ops.losses so far and the replace the remaining F4Es after the terminator 2020 project cancelled.These will come from the desert storage and will be second hand.
Another batch of F16s which will be block 50 (which numbers are pronounced around 30) will be used to form a new squadron and will be brand new planes.
This is my understanding of the total numbers add up to around 55.The total number of F16s in TAF will be around or higher than 400 with these additions.With the high standard of training and actual combat environment experience TAF makes a real scary opponent for bad guys.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11896 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9341 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1): I assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?
Quoting N328KF (Reply 2): You'd think, but on the other hand, it seems that commonality between the F-35A and F-35B would permit acquisition of both types at what ever ratio a particular operator may wish.
It sounds like the TAF wants the F-35A, the land based USAF version. I thought the F-35B was the CV based USN version, and the V/STOL version was the USMC version to be called the F-35C.
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 5): Would this make Turkey only the second partner country (next to the UK) to commit to buying the JSF? It may have ripples on the IAF's decision on their 126 fighter acquisition.
The IDF will probibly want a version of the F-22A/B (F-22I?). With the Democrates taking Congress this week, I suspect it will be easier for both the IDF and the JSDF to get the F-22.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6316 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9305 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10): It sounds like the TAF wants the F-35A, the land based USAF version. I thought the F-35B was the CV based USN version, and the V/STOL version was the USMC version to be called the F-35C.
You have the Lightning B and C swapped.
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Oroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 875 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8721 times:
If I was ordering 100 F-35s I would want a maybe, 70/30 mix of A/B. In today's war, it seems that a regular fighter base would be decimated quickly. I would maintain 20 STOVL bases and move small groups of 2-4 of F-35B around them, keeping a weapon storage at each.
IIRC Canada does something similar to that on a much smaller scale, the CAF sends 2 CF-188s to a far northern base to do periodic patrols of the far northern regions.
In the event of a major attack, either the outlying bases get hit first, warning the main forces of an attack, or the main bases get hit first and the STOVL bases have time to scramble.