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Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam  
User currently offlineMd94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9457 times:

Link: http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/10357933/detail.html


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

It's nice to have a 757 along with you, just in case.

User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9416 times:

WOW. I don't think the 757 (alternate a/c) has in-flight refueling capabilities, so that may not be very convenient.

I am trying to find more specific info other than "mechanical problem".



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9414 times:

The UAL press charter aircraft would be a nice option, but probably against policy to use a non-US armed forces a/c for #1 transport. Anyone know of this to be a rule?


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
The UAL press charter aircraft would be a nice option, but probably against policy to use a non-US armed forces a/c for #1 transport. Anyone know of this to be a rule?

What type of A/C is the UAL charter?


User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9291 times:

I thought there were two airforce 1 747s. Why don't they fly in the 2nd 747?

User currently offlinePiedmontINT From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
The UAL press charter aircraft would be a nice option, but probably against policy to use a non-US armed forces a/c for #1 transport. Anyone know of this to be a rule?

Nope, as far as I know the President can ride on civilian aircraft and if he is, the call sign is "Executive One."


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9178 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
The UAL press charter aircraft would be a nice option, but probably against policy to use a non-US armed forces a/c for #1 transport. Anyone know of this to be a rule?

I don't believe this is true. Didn't Nixon fly UA out of IAD once? It might be an unwritten rule but it certainly is not a statute or regulation I'm aware of. Isn't the call sign of a civilian registered aircraft carrying POTUS called Executive I?

Furthermore -suggest that this thread be moved to Military Forum.


User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9115 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
I don't believe this is true. Didn't Nixon fly UA out of IAD once? It might be an unwritten rule but it certainly is not a statute or regulation I'm aware of. Isn't the call sign of a civilian registered aircraft carrying POTUS called Executive I?

You are right on that...I don't have the specifics in front of me, but he did fly from IAD-LAX on a DC-10. He even paid the price of his first class tickets for himself and his family (something like $235 each!!) and roamed the cabin chatting with other pax.

This all comes from a book I have on Air Force One.

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Furthermore -suggest that this thread be moved to Military Forum.

Why? If civilian aircraft are brought into the discussion, this thread is fine where it is. Also, this topic has such a mass appeal (When was the last time anyone remembers any mechanical problems on any aircraft carrying the President?) that it should get as much exposure as possible.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9077 times:

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 8):
Why? If civilian aircraft are brought into the discussion, this thread is fine where it is.

Because the thread is about AIR FORCE 1 (last time I check this wasn't a civilian aircraft).

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 8):
Also, this topic has such a mass appeal (When was the last time anyone remembers any mechanical problems on any aircraft carrying the President?) that it should get as much exposure as possible.

I didn't write the forum rules - but I've never seen anything that said that a thread should be posted where it gets its most exposure. Let's just all follow the rules and not make up our own as we go along.


User currently offlineJrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

Leave this topic here in Civil Aviation. It discuss problems in a 747, the possible usage of a civil airliner and other related issues

User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8935 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
Because the thread is about AIR FORCE 1 (last time I check this wasn't a civilian aircraft).

I never said AF1 is a civilian aircraft. B4real mentioned a UAL press charter aircraft. There's no reason to get so smart alecky.

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
Let's just all follow the rules and not make up our own as we go along.

If it helps you sleep better tonight, then fine with me.


User currently offlineW3ndytj4n From Indonesia, joined Feb 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8915 times:

So, there is no chance to see US president arrival in CGK with Air Force One 747?

w3ndy



Wendy Tjan
User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 945 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8785 times:

Apparently the 747's problem was with a tire but it's since been rectified and the Prez can continue along his merry way.

http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/11/19/ap3189033.html

C.



Dewmanair...begins with Dew
User currently offlineW3ndytj4n From Indonesia, joined Feb 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

Quoting Forbes.com:
Initially, the White House thought Bush would have to fly to Indonesia on a backup Air Force One. There was a problem with a tire upon landing in Ho Chi Minh City, said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. But a replacement tire was found, and the president is scheduled to fly his regular Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people ) 747 to Indonesia.

Air Force One 747 is back online



Wendy Tjan
User currently offlineW3ndytj4n From Indonesia, joined Feb 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8680 times:

Quoting Forbes.com:
Initially, the White House thought Bush would have to fly to Indonesia on a backup Air Force One. There was a problem with a tire upon landing in Ho Chi Minh City, said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. But a replacement tire was found, and the president is scheduled to fly his regular Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people ) 747 to Indonesia.

Air Force One 747 is back online



Wendy Tjan
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

where is the backup 747?

User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8325 times:
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Good thing that AF1 is back in service. I would have bet that there is no way that they would have flown him back across the Pacific in a 757.

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8249 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 16):
where is the backup 747?

The backup is often in Wichita, Kansas actually...I've seen it there many times, at the Boeing/McConnell AFB landing site.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

I understood the backup Air Force One (747) goes to the closest US military base to where the president would be. Why are some stating that the backup on this trip was a 757? Perhaps Ms. Rice and the State Department flew the 757 to the area. Since Bush didn't fly to Vietnam via the Pacific, I guessing the return would be via Europe, suppose its a wash mileage wise.

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 19):
I understood the backup Air Force One (747) goes to the closest US military base to where the president would be.

Yes, I thought I read that the back up 747 either travels along with the president's plane or is kept nearby.


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2355 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 19):
I understood the backup Air Force One (747) goes to the closest US military base to where the president would be. Why are some stating that the backup on this trip was a 757? Perhaps Ms. Rice and the State Department flew the 757 to the area. Since Bush didn't fly to Vietnam via the Pacific, I guessing the return would be via Europe, suppose its a wash mileage wise.

He is making a stopover in Hawai'i on his way back to DC.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 2):
I don't think the 757 (alternate a/c) has in-flight refueling capabilities, so that may not be very convenient.

Correct, the C-32A does not have in-flight refueling. Keep in mind, however, it does have more range that your typical civilian 757. Also, I don't believe the VC-25's in-flight refueling has been used with POTUS aboard.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 17):
I would have bet that there is no way that they would have flown him back across the Pacific in a 757

Range wise, there really isn't a concern, as I stated above. If push came to shove, POTUS would have likely been flown to the nearest US Air Base to meet the back up VC-25.

[Edited 2006-11-20 07:18:39]

User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7779 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 19):
I understood the backup Air Force One (747) goes to the closest US military base to where the president would be.

When Dubya visited the Netherlands in May 2005, both VC-25A (no. 28000 and 29000) were at MST at the same time, while the E-4B "flying pentagon" waited 40mi down the road at the Dutch AFB at EIN.



"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineAvgroupie From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7532 times:

I don't ever recall hearing about a mechanical problem while POTUS was on board. Is this a first ?

And a tire of all things....... ( was it FOD ?). I would have thought the change-out schedule for wear items like these would be way below normal service life for this fleet.


25 SlamClick : A pungi stake?
26 ZANL188 : Hardly... 27000 blew a seal with Reagan aboard and did a rapid descent and I'm sure there have been other incidents... When I was stationed at Andrew
27 ShyFlyer : I think one of the VC-137s got stuck in the mud beside a taxiway with either Clinton or Gore aboard.
28 Bingo : Yep and IIRC they put Clinton on SAM 27000 to get him out of there while they dug the 747 outta the mud. I believe it happened in Little Rock.
29 Flynavy : I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
30 Post contains links and images Bingo : Or you could just google it http://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&o...245&spn=0.002504,0.007607&t=k&om=1
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