HangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1449 times:
Reading a story about Cold War interceptors, I began to wonder about the license built CF- aircraft that have been produced over the years by Canadair. From the CF-86 to the CF-5, U.S. designs have been produced up north for the RCAF. And then there are the CF- CC- CT- CH- designations. Even when manufactured by Lockheed or McDonnell in the U.S., the aircraft got different designations.
What are the reasons? Does Canada have a homeland defense manufacturing law? Are the designs specialized (heated ejection seats?) to deal with the climate? What kind of numbers were the CF- aircraft produced in? Any civil types produced this way?
MrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1425 times:
We have never had a law pertaining to the manufacture of military equipment here in Canada; however, our government strives to get as many offsets and production lisences as possible. Although much of our military uses US-designed equipment, you will find that much of it is made (or at least assembled) in Canada.
Back in the 1950s and 1960s, there was another reason for the Canadian government to lisence build aircraft; it was a good way to help with our commitment to NATO. By building aircraft under lisence, we could help our allies in Europe acquire modern equipment much faster and in greater numbers. Chiefly, Canadair (then a Crown corporation) was responsible for undertaking lisence production.
As for modifications and special equipment, there were many changes made by Canadair, many of which would be applied in turn by the original manufacturer. The CF-104, for example, had a good number of features that were later applied to the F-104G. The same also applies to the CF-5 - features of that aircraft (INS and uprated engines, amongst others) were applied in the F-5E Tiger II.
As for the CL-30 Silver Star (T-33) and the Canadair Sabre, these aircraft were in many ways superior to the original aircraft, especially with regard to engines. The Canadair Sabre Mk 6 had a reputation of being the best performing of all the Sabre variants, as Canadair managed to incorporate the "soft" wing of the F-86F into this aircraft, along with a much more powerful Canadian-designed and built Orenda engine.
Production numbers are as follows:
CL-30 Silver Star: 656 of all variants
Canadair Sabre: 1815 of all variants
CF-104: 200 as CF-104s (all single-seat models), further 140 as F-104Gs
CF-5: 240 of all models
Of course, I could get into the CP-107 Argus, the CL-44s and the North Stars, but that is a different story altogether.
WrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
After intergaration (Feb 1968) Air Command took over responsibility for ALL flying assets, including Naval and Army Aviation. A centralized method of designating a/c came into being.
We therefore have:
CF = Canadian Fighter
CH = Canadian Helicopter
CC = Canadian Cargo
CT = Canadian Trainer
CU = Canadian Uninhabited*
The numbering system was also revamped as there were now duplicates- Army Voyageurs were 104's and became 113A's etc so as not to be confused with the fighter. Ever since we have taken the next available number available in the sequence, with some minor exceptions. F18 became the CF188, the 118 was used for the Huey. CF5 was officially the CF116, 105 was the Arrow. The Chinook got to keep 147 the first time around who knows this time ?? For a list of all CanForce historical assets go here http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/historical/hist_e.asp
Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
Quoting MrChips (Reply 1): As for the CL-30 Silver Star (T-33) and the Canadair Sabre, these aircraft were in many ways superior to the original aircraft, especially with regard to engines. The Canadair Sabre Mk 6 had a reputation of being the best performing of all the Sabre variants, as Canadair managed to incorporate the "soft" wing of the F-86F into this aircraft, along with a much more powerful Canadian-designed and built Orenda engine
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