AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2530 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4649 times:
I was reading about that - does that mean the entire next class will named after Ford?!
I agree that President Ford needs a ship named after him but calling the entire new class of carrier after the name "Ford" tends to make this Chevy fan's face cringe!
NorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2383 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4604 times:
Naming an aircraft carrier after Ford??? Come on, I know he just died, but he really wasn't a great president. Nice guy and everything, but not a memorable president. He fell down some stairs and pardoned Nixon, thats about it.
So who's next in line to get an aircraft carrier named after them, Grant, Taft, Taylor, Tyler, Fillmore, Hayes?
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29367 posts, RR: 61 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4583 times:
Norcal.....Are you aware that Ford served on a US Navy Carrier during WWII.
As did G.H. Bush, who also has a carrier named after him and Jimmy Carter has a Nuclear Submarine named after him-oddly enough he was Submariner when he was in the Navy.
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N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6226 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4581 times:
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 1): I was reading about that - does that mean the entire next class will named after Ford?!
Yes, that means that there will be possibly as many as eleven aircraft carriers in the Gerald R. Ford class of supercarriers.
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L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29367 posts, RR: 61 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4513 times:
Quoting NorCal (Reply 2): Naming an aircraft carrier after Ford???
Hell of a lot better then naming them after Dodge....Hemi my arse!
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Deskflier From Sweden, joined Jan 2007, 537 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4473 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 5): Quoting NorCal (Reply 2):
Naming an aircraft carrier after Ford???
Hell of a lot better then naming them after Dodge....Hemi my arse!
General Dodge was in charge of building the first coast-to-coast railroad of the USA. Bet that he could walk in a straight line and chew on something tough at the same time.
I was also surprised to hear of the naming of a submarine after ex-Prasident Carter. Isn´t he still alive?
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Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4458 times:
Quoting Deskflier (Reply 6): I was also surprised to hear of the naming of a submarine after ex-Prasident Carter. Isn´t he still alive?
Ronald Reagan was still alive when they named a carrier after him also there is a carrier named after George H. Bush who is still alive.
Wonder if there ever will be a U.S.S. Bill Clinton.
Do you remember the Simpsons episode "Bart vs. Australia" where the Simpsons were flown out of the U.S. embassy and Bart asks if they were brought to an aircraft carrier and the pilot answers:"No, the closest ship is the U.S.S. Walther Mondale, it is a laundry ship."
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
BladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 386 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4403 times:
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 8): Jimmy Carter should have a garbage scow named after him, not a submarine (although he goes around torpedoing the US everywhere-maybe Al Queda should get a submarine and name it after him.)
That honor is reserved for Clinton
Anyways he will never get a ship named for him. The recent carrier namings...
Reagan
Bush Sr.
and Ford
either served in the Navy or contributed greatly to it, Clinton did none of that. Anyways its up to the department of the Navy to choose names for ships, not congress.
CV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4359 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 7): Wonder if there ever will be a U.S.S. Bill Clinton
I would think a Submarine would be a perfect fit for that name- Subs are cigar-shaped, aren't they?
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 71 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4297 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 7): Wonder if there ever will be a U.S.S. Bill Clinton
No. The entire Clinton class was obsolete before the keel was laid. (so to speak) It was learned that the Soviet "Monica" class could simply attach themselves by vacuum and suck out all the seamen.
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Connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3892 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11): No. The entire Clinton class was obsolete before the keel was laid. (so to speak) It was learned that the Soviet "Monica" class could simply attach themselves by vacuum and suck out all the seamen.
Groan ....
It had better not be named the Dubya, though. If it was, it would just keep steaming straight ahead, even after it hit the rocks.
Osiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3182 posts, RR: 25 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4191 times:
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11): No. The entire Clinton class was obsolete before the keel was laid. (so to speak) It was learned that the Soviet "Monica" class could simply attach themselves by vacuum and suck out all the seamen.
I'm sorry all I can come up with is
I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2530 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4179 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 3): Norcal.....Are you aware that Ford served on a US Navy Carrier during WWII.
Correct but in order for one to be Captain of an aircraft carrier that person must have been a Naval Aviator - G.H. Bush is perfectly suited as well as any who have an aircraft carrier named after them. While Ford did serve on a carrier, he was still only a surface officer and would have been perhaps more appropriately had his name on the next cruiser or destroyer class, if even any class at all.
Quoting Deskflier (Reply 6): I was also surprised to hear of the naming of a submarine after ex-Prasident Carter. Isn´t he still alive?
Carter may have been an less than lusterious President as well but he was a 1947 Naval Academy grad who volunteered and actually served on submarines and even contributed to some of the first atomic powered submarines under Admiral Rickover via the USS Seawolf, SSN-575. He may have been President during a less than stellar period in our Nation's histroy, but Carter's name to the last Seawolf class vessel constructed is of course well deserved.
Quoting Columba (Reply 7): Ronald Reagan was still alive when they named a carrier after him also there is a carrier named after George H. Bush who is still alive.
Wonder if there ever will be a U.S.S. Bill Clinton.
The US Military has already named numerous field latrines for Slick Willy and fortunately for the American taxpayer that will forever be the extent to which Clinton's name will ever adorn anything in the US military!
Connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3892 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4168 times:
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 15): Carter may have been an less than lusterious President as well but he was a 1947 Naval Academy grad who volunteered and actually served on submarines and even contributed to some of the first atomic powered submarines under Admiral Rickover via the USS Seawolf, SSN-575. He may have been President during a less than stellar period in our Nation's histroy, but Carter's name to the last Seawolf class vessel constructed is of course well deserved.
I believe Carter was selected as the 1st commander of Seawolf (a star-crossed sub if there ever was one - that didn't sink, that is) but resigned from the navy after the death of his father in order to run the family business. Whatever you may think of his term as Prez, he was far and away the most technically competent president of the 20th century.
Factoid: Carter came to where I now work, Chalk River Labs, in 1952, to help in the clean up after the NRX reactor partial meltdown. That took some guts, since no one really knew how to do it at the time. I believe he was here for about six weeks or so.
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4158 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 7): Ronald Reagan was still alive when they named a carrier after him also there is a carrier named after George H. Bush who is still alive.
Wonder if there ever will be a U.S.S. Bill Clinton.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29367 posts, RR: 61 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4097 times:
Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 16): I believe Carter was selected as the 1st commander of Seawolf (a star-crossed sub if there ever was one - that didn't sink, that is) but resigned from the navy after the death of his father in order to run the family business.
Actually I believe he was the Exec....2nd on the totem pole.
But you are correct, he left the navy to take over the peanut farm after his father passed.
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Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6838 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4088 times:
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 15): The US Military has already named numerous field latrines for Slick Willy and fortunately for the American taxpayer that will forever be the extent to which Clinton's name will ever adorn anything in the US military!
Actually I personally think that Clinton was a very good president and if it were to me I would name a ship after him. My question had more to do with the fact that I believe that many in the US military are not very fond of Clinton.
Of the latest Presidents I don´t think we will never see a U.S.S. Nixon, Clinton or G.W.Bush. Maybe we see a U.S.S. H. Clinton in a few years
Anyway I think it is a nice gesture to name a carrier after President Ford he may not be the greatest President but he took office in a difficult time and served the US well.
I also don´t understand what many people have against Carter. From what I have heard and read I think he did a good job and also served his country well after his presidency. His activities since leaving office, especially his many peacekeeping and humanitarian efforts are a reason for me to respect that man very much.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
Connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3892 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4071 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 19): I also don´t understand what many people have against Carter. From what I have heard and read I think he did a good job and also served his country well after his presidency. His activities since leaving office, especially his many peacekeeping and humanitarian efforts are a reason for me to respect that man very much.
I met the man in Winnipeg in 1998 on a Habitat for Humanity effort. As far as I'm concerned he's a saint. One of my personal heroes, along with Nelson Mandela.
And he served, and continues to serve, his nation well.
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6302 posts, RR: 39 Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4065 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 19): I also don´t understand what many people have against Carter. From what I have heard and read I think he did a good job and also served his country well after his presidency. His activities since leaving office, especially his many peacekeeping and humanitarian efforts are a reason for me to respect that man very much.
Let's just say there are those of us who disagree violently with everything here.
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RC135U From United States of America, joined May 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4053 times:
Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 20): And he served, and continues to serve, his nation well.
One of the reasons for the respect shown former President Ford is that he held to the custom that former presidents keep their opinions to themselves and don't run around the world interjecting themselves into US foreign policy matters which are properly the province of whatever administration is currently in power (and State Department).
Carter's vacillation and hand wringing during the 444 day Iranian hostage crisis presented the image of a weak US. Funny how the Iranians hastily concluded the episode when Reagan took office - they knew he wouldn't tolerate such nonsense. BTW, let me offer a "Thank you Canada" once again for your help during those dark days.
Finally, check on how anti-Israel Carter is, and who funds much of his Foundation. Hint: They control lots of oil.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4001 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 7): Ronald Reagan was still alive when they named a carrier after him also there is a carrier named after George H. Bush who is still alive.
Congressman Carl Vinson was the first person to be present for the naming of a ship in his honor, he died a few years after the boat was comissioned. Unfortunately Reagan was too ill to attend his christening, but Bush certainly was there.
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 14): but Carter's name to the last Seawolf class vessel constructed is of course well deserved.
For a man who was almost as anti-military as you can get (spending wise), I'm glad his name is only on a sub.
Quoting Columba (Reply 18): Actually I personally think that Clinton was a very good president and if it were to me I would name a ship after him.
He was a fucking moron of a President, personally. He did no favors for the military other than decimate it and place our national security last over welfare and midnight basketball, etc etc. His library looks like a trailer, and that's what he is frankly- trailer trash. Just proves that you can get in the oval office if you have any charisma.
There was alot of debate over the naming of this new boat. Alot of folks thought it should have been named the America, since we no longer have an America in existance- CV-66 was decommed in 96 and was sunk recently. Something about having an America or a United States showing up off your shore says something- personally I think having a bunch of ships named after presidents doesn't do as much. Ford was a good man, but he didn't contribute to the Navy in the ways others have- I'd personally like to see a USS John McCain- now there's a Naval Aviator.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7677 posts, RR: 18 Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3993 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 22): There was alot of debate over the naming of this new boat. Alot of folks thought it should have been named the America, since we no longer have an America in existance- CV-66 was decommed in 96 and was sunk recently. Something about having an America or a United States showing up off your shore says something- personally I think having a bunch of ships named after presidents doesn't do as much. Ford was a good man, but he didn't contribute to the Navy in the ways others have- I'd personally like to see a USS John McCain- now there's a Naval Aviator.
I am not a huge fan of naming stuff after politicians, especially living (or recently deceased ones for that matter). This goes doubly so far warships. Just b/c you were a politician and a low or mid-level officer in the navy doesn't necessarily get you the rights to have a ship named after you.
I would still like to see a return to proper names for a carrier. Another America or United States would be nice, as well as Saratoga, Lexington, Essex, Constellation... the list goes on. Certainly naming a new carrier after a previous carrier that had an honorable career would be fitting. I would at least hope that there will be another Enterprise in the new class of CVNs.
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Da man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3989 times:
Quoting DesertJets (Reply 23): I would still like to see a return to proper names for a carrier. Another America or United States would be nice, as well as Saratoga, Lexington, Essex, Constellation... the list goes on.
25 DL021: I'm a little surprised to see this, and would have thought that we were past the political naming of vessels, but I guess not. We need a new Saratoga,
26 SEPilot: My feelings precisely, especially paragraph 1.
27 KC135TopBoom: Yeah, he could be an AO, just going around and "servicing" anyone. If Hillery ever gets elected (heven forbid), they could name a new class of harbor
28 Beta: that has to be 1 of the most hilarious post ever I too would like to see the return of the USS America to prowling the "rough" seas, and have no obje
29 N328KF: You'd have to decommission or rename USS John S. McCain (DDG-56) for that to occur. It's a fairly new boat, and is named for the Senator's grandfathe
30 Areopagus: Umm, since this is about Carter, shouldn't that be "nook-yu-lar powered submarines"?
31 Connies4ever: Agreed. He never served so he don't get no respect. He gets denigrated at every opportunity. Carter believed in negotiating before firing the guns, u
32 Connies4ever: Eloquently described, eloquently. Let's see, broken family, Rhodes scholar (oh, BTW, did _you_ get one?), law school, governor at, I believe 28, lose
33 T773ER: Thats easy to say, we you didn't have to live in the US when this moron was at the helm. George W. Bush is a great man, and I'd be willing to guess t
34 Columba: I think this is going to be too much off-topic but please give me a reason why Clinton was so bad. The economy was blooming and the US was well respe
35 Connies4ever: ?? You're joking, right? I'd describe him more like DeltaGuy describes Clinton. If he were to help Canada (not that I think that's a given) someone w
36 Par13del: I think it is interesting to note the difference between Americans and Non-American responses to Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. To a lot of American's
37 SEPilot: It would be nice to get away from naming ships for politicians but it will never happen because without the politicians the ships don't get built.
38 N328KF: Please don't group Reagan and Bush 43. They are different classes of President.
39 DeltaGuy: Not only did he not served, he doged a draft, sending another poor soul out to do his job. Not to mention he decimated a military on top of that. I'm
40 SEPilot: Very few people are willing to recognize the looming danger in front of us-namely radical Islam. Europe as a whole (with the single exception of Tony
41 T773ER: Well, to start off with the middle class was paying close to 40% in taxes, but I guess compared to you socialist thats still pretty good. Unemploymen
42 Columba: I am not a Socialist and Germany is no Socialsist country. Our system is a social market economy and I am a strong believer in that system. I believe
43 T773ER: I appreciate it, and let's agree to disagree. I just get a little worked up about politcs, and I'm sorroy if I offended you. Who started this thread
44 Connies4ever: Right you are ! And you know what ? I'm _very_ glad I'm a Canadian and can't vote in the US. BTW, if you're ever here as a tourist and get sick, you'
45 L-188: And yet, we did a lot of medivacs out of Canada of Americans who needed to stay in hospital but they (the canucks) wanted to move them out as soon as
46 P3Orion: I witnessed, first hand, what he did to the military...I hope not. He was not a fan of the military and made his feelings well known.[Edited 2007-01-
47 P3Orion: This is way off topic, but I find it interesting that people from countries that have "socialism" tendencies or ideals (Germany and Canada) view Bill
48 T773ER: That's exactly what I said, and what does that show about the democratic party......
49 Connies4ever: Agreed this has drifted way off topic. If you wish to continue in Non-Av, I'm down with that.
51 AerospaceFan: A while ago, I read an article that breached the possibility of naming the next carrier after President Ford: RE: CVN-77, USS Bush, To Be Christened 1
52 N328KF: The difference is that Roosevelt is a prominent historical figure and former president of the highest order, where as Ford was just...Ford.
53 L-188: I agree with that. It was the other Roosevelt that had the 3rd unit of the Midway class named after him if I remember correctly. Teddy, well I don't
54 AerospaceFan: I don't know the answer to your last question, but I think you've hit the nail on the head in noting that President Roosevelt was never a service mem
55 Halls120: TR is a historical figure who, based on the measure of his public life, deserves to have a capital ship of the Navy named in his honor. Ford is a dec
56 Da man: Theodore Roosevelt served as an Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1897 until 1898 when he resigned to join the Army and fight in Cuba during the S
57 Da man: Just saw on CNN that this is official and CVN-78 will be named the USS Gerald R. Ford.
58 Glideslope: Back to Jimmy Carter. His Seawolf SSN-23 is actually quite different from the 1st two. It has the extra 100" section for the super secret CIA type mis
59 DeltaGuy: Not in this lifetime. We'll have to continue to wage war with England, Poland, and the few other friends that'll have our backs. We'll remember it wh
60 UH60FtRucker: WHOA! This is Mil-Av!!! There is no need for you to turn Mil-Av into Non-Av with comments like this. Especially considering that Halls120 was rather
61 SlamClick: All of this pointless political debate could be sidestepped neatly by enacting a law that NOTHING could be named after any human being until they had
62 DeltaGuy: I agree....Washington, Lincoln, would be the few that would be legit by that law then. Unfortunately the internet doesn't have the same benefit as ta
63 N328KF: 100 years is too long. You'd lose the names of heroes from World War II. Let's say 50 or 60 years, except I would have a clause that exempted Armed F
64 Falcon84: It isn't named for someone who was a great anything. But he served his nation, and it's an honor that is designated for Presidents, to have Navy ship
65 Connies4ever: To use an old phrase: Right on ! Just because Clinton (and to some extent Bush 1) tried to actually give people a real 'peace dividend' does not mean
66 Srbmod: Since this thread has gone off topic (This thread is not to debate about who was the better President.), it is now locked.
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