DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1665 times:
Per Flight International:
Quote: All 46 of the US Marine Corps’ Bell Boeing MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor vertical/short takeoff and landing aircraft have been temporarily grounded after an cold-weather check identified a computer chip redundancy fault in the flight control systems.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1505 times:
This thing seems to be the biggest waste of time, money, effort, and lives of any aircraft ever pushed into the US arsenal... they really should just put it to rest and buy more conventional and capable aircraft.
CTR From United States, joined Jul 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1434 times:
Perspective People! Perspective! The V-22 isn't the first or the last aircraft to be temporarily grounded for a safety concern. This is just the one of first examples of thousands that pop up on a Google search.
November 8, 1985, 181 Sikorsky Copters Grounded for Repairs
More than 180 Sikorsky CH-53 transport helicopters have been grounded by the Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force because of problems with the main rotor, the Pentagon said Wednesday. The grounding of 181 of some models of the helicopter, 138 in the Navy and Marine Corps, 43 in the Air Force, was ordered Saturday when a problem was discovered in an inspection, the Pentagon said. A lock nut was too big, causing ''excessive clearance,'' a Navy spokesman said.
On any military aircraft, be glad the brass is willing to ground aircraft and take the heat versus putting lives at risk.
Thorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1396 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 1): This thing seems to be the biggest waste of time, money, effort, and lives of any aircraft ever pushed into the US arsenal... they really should just put it to rest and buy more conventional and capable aircraft.
I don't know, it's not like the Army and Marine Corps helicopter fleets are demonstrating spectacular success in Iraq... I'm starting to think the V-22's speed might be a huge asset over there these days. Maybe we should get rid of CH-47 "Lumbering Targets" and buy even more V-22s. V-22s may be more vulnerable landing in hot spots, but it looks like most of our helicopter losses have been in transit, and that's where V-22's greater speed will come in handy.
JohnM From United States, joined Feb 2001, 266 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1352 times:
The rotary wing fleets in Iraq are VERY successful. The amount of flights that operate 24/7 would put any air carrier to shame. The accident rate and the very low amout of aircraft that are successfully engaged point out the excellent crew skills and good hardware we have operating there. The CH-47 is a faster helicopter than most if not all operating in OIF as a matter of fact. My battalion flew approx 15,000 hours and had no losses from enemy action, my bird had only 1 ea hole that AK-47 related. The lift aircraft have little enemy damage, the scout and attack guys do have more of course, they go out and seek the enemy and don't leave when it's found. I don't know what the amount of people and cargo moved every day is, but it would boggle the mind. The hardware there is not doing an ok job, it's doing a fantastic job. And that goes for USA and USMC.
I've thought back about my past missions if I was on a V-22. Not as well suited due to cost, complexity, excessive rotor wash (no fun in the dust), and lack of weapons (door or window mounted). I found the UH-60 to work better in Iraq than in the States which did surprise me. Once we got some initial bugs worked out, the more they flew, the better they held up. They looked like hell, but were great flyers. Keep in mind several of our birds were given to us about 20 flight hours before we deployed, and they were another units leaky hanger queens. If we had an entire company of L models (we only had ONE!), we could have really set the world on fire. We also ran into some very small LZs, and a bigger aircraft would not have done the job.
I will admit, the rear cargo ramp would have made life easier. But the CH-47 and CH-53 have already figured that out. Hand loading a UH-60 floor to ceiling several times a day can get old.
The key is good tactics and training. The key is not adding some ultra expensive and complex tilt rotor that must equal the cost of several helicopters, and I'm sure would fly less. I did have some very long days keeping my birds ready for the next day, I can only imagine trying to keep a V-22 mission ready.
Lumberton From United States, joined Jul 2005, 4094 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 1): This thing seems to be the biggest waste of time, money, effort, and lives of any aircraft ever pushed into the US arsenal... they really should just put it to rest and buy more conventional and capable aircraft.
This thing has proved impossible to kill since the '80s. Why would sanity prevail now?
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
CTR From United States, joined Jul 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
Has it seen combat duty?
Scheduled to be deployed in the Middle East early this fall.
It was supposed to be offered as a commercial variant. What happened there?
The commercial BA609 variant is really a completely different aircraft. Much smaller and with a pressurized fuselage, it is scheduled to be certified in 2010.
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 6053 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1229 times:
Quoting CTR (Reply 10):
The commercial BA609 variant is really a completely different aircraft. Much smaller and with a pressurized fuselage, it is scheduled to be certified in 2010.
I don't know if it will sell until the bugs on the V-22 have been worked out. And even then people may still not be willing to risk due to the bad press the V-22 has had.
[Edited 2007-02-11 05:23:16]
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
CTR From United States, joined Jul 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1174 times:
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 11): I don't know if it will sell until the bugs on the V-22 have been worked out. And even then people may still not be willing to risk due to the bad press the V-22 has had.
Bell-Agusta has collected $100,000 deposits for over sixty BA609 Tilt rotor aircraft and Net Jet has expressed an interest for fifty more.
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 6053 posts, RR: 48 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1049 times:
Quoting CTR (Reply 12): Bell-Agusta has collected $100,000 deposits for over sixty BA609 Tilt rotor aircraft and Net Jet has expressed an interest for fifty more.
Really?
Wow, did not expect that.
Thanks for the info.
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
PJFlysFast From United States, joined May 2006, 455 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 880 times:
I think that the Osprey has great potential. I think that the idea of taking off and landing like a helicopter and transitioning into flying like a airplane is a good one. It has the best of both worlds and It has a endless amount of possibility's. It takes getting used to new things.
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