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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

According to media reports, an RAF C-130 operating in the Maysan province of Iraq was destroyed yesterday after suffering an incident on landing, and it was subsequently destroyed in-situe by coalition forces after it was deemed too dangerous to recover.

No information on what model (K or J), but there are no reports of serious injury.

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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

BBC News Link -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6356789.stm


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3962 times:
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Is this the first hull loss for a J?


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
Is this the first hull loss for a J?

Yes, this is the first J hull loss.

Its also the third RAF hull loss in just over 2 years -

Jan 30th 2005, aircraft hit by insurgent fire resulting in an explosion (I went to the memorial service in Lyneham  Sad ). XV179.

May 24th 2006, fire on ground after hitting a landmine. XV206.

Feb 12th 2007, destroyed on ground.

Our C-130 fleet seems to be taking a battering recently! Luckily there were no fatalities in the last two hull losses.


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Sad news, but I'm relieved as well there were no fatalities.


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3665 times:
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Anyone heard any updates as to the cause of this writeoff?


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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 6):
Anyone heard any updates as to the cause of this writeoff?

The primary cause of the write off appears to be that the crew had to destroy the aircraft to prevent it falling into enemy hands. As neither UK nor US forces could protect it once it was damaged.

This says something about the security situation in Irag which we have supposedly controlled for over 3 years.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3635 times:
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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
The primary cause of the write off appears to be that the crew had to destroy the aircraft to prevent it falling into enemy hands. As neither UK nor US forces could protect it once it was damaged.

Yes but what was the nature of the incident? Landing gear failure? Landing on too soft a surface?



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
The primary cause of the write off appears to be that the crew had to destroy the aircraft to prevent it falling into enemy hands.

The crew was evacuated by a second C-130. The aircraft was beyond economical repair, so it was destroied it in-situ. The destruction was carried out by coalition forces in the area, not the crew.


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
As neither UK nor US forces could protect it once it was damaged.



Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
The aircraft was beyond economical repair, so it was destroied it in-situ.

So what was there to "protect"? Standard operating procedure if you ask me. Again, the crew was evacuated safely. We can always make more aircraft....



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Luckely noone was hurt.

Doesn' this sound alarming to anyone?

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
The primary cause of the write off appears to be that the crew had to destroy the aircraft to prevent it falling into enemy hands. As neither UK nor US forces could protect it once it was damaged.

Isn't it a coalition controlled airbase?


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 10):

So what was there to "protect"?

Defence systems processing unit, avionics, radio encryption systems, IFF etc etc

Quite a lot on an airframe that would take a while to remove, it would be quicker to recover the airframe and thus they took the decision to destroy it, especially so close to the Iranian border.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 11):
Isn't it a coalition controlled airbase?

Coalition controlled and 'safe' are two entirely different things - an aircraft parked up for any length of time becomes a nice target, and poses an increasing risk to those working on her during that time.

Aircraft make nice RPG targets.


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

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It landed 20km north of Al-Amarah ...



Quote:
"a routine landing on a tactical landing zone"

no air base as such ... according to Google Earth there isn't anything 20km north Al-Amarah that could be more than a even piece of no man's land ...


User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 13):

no air base as such ... according to Google Earth there isn't anything 20km north Al-Amarah that could be more than a even piece of no man's land ...

Yea, according to Google Earth. Those pictures are months or more old. The US military can put up a big enough runway to land a C-130 in less than a week.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3245 times:
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Still no word on what the incident was?

Is this normal for RAF accident investigations? Particularly in situations where the crew (presumably) walked away...



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 15):
Still no word on what the incident was?

Is this normal for RAF accident investigations? Particularly in situations where the crew (presumably) walked away...

Yes, its quite normal - but from what I gather from friends at Lyneham, the aircraft hit a mine on landing, causing damage to the wing and undercarraige, the same sort of thing that caused the hull loss in 2006.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3228 times:
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 16):
Yes, its quite normal -

Odd that there is no press coverage of the incident other than it occured and the aircraft was subsequently destroyed by UK forces. Or was there coverage of the incident and I missed it Sad



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 17):

Odd that there is no press coverage of the incident other than it occured and the aircraft was subsequently destroyed by UK forces. Or was there coverage of the incident and I missed it

Yup, it got a mention on both the national news (BBC) and local news (since Im just up the road from RAF Lyneham where the Herc would have been based) the night it was reported, but thats it.

Noones really bothered unless theres a safety issue.

If you want, I can trawl the Hansard archives for the past week to determine if anything has been said in Parliament about it?


User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 17):

Odd that there is no press coverage of the incident

There's an article in one of this month's aviation magazines. I can't remember if it was Air International, or Airpower, Air Forces Monthly, Flight International...it must've been one of the pricey European ones though, because I didn't buy it. Or maybe it was last month's issue?



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 3088 times:
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Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 19):
There's an article in one of this month's aviation magazines. I can't remember if it was Air International, or Airpower, Air Forces Monthly, Flight International...it must've been one of the pricey European ones though, because I didn't buy it. Or maybe it was last month's issue?

The article in the Jan 07 Air Forces Monthly pertains to the RAF 130 that was lost last May - not the more recent loss.



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