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Raaf To Buy 24 Super Hornets  
User currently offlineAnthonyspider From Australia, joined May 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21336251-662,00.html

News today of the RAAF decision to buy 24 Super Hornets as a stop-gap measure before JSF is ready.

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7752 times:

Damn, Boeing must love the RAAF as a customer. Other than Keesje's Delightthe A330 MRTT, the RAAF has spent a ton with Boeing.


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
Damn, Boeing must love the RAAF as a customer. Other than Keesje's Delightthe A330 MRTT, the RAAF has spent a ton with Boeing.

I don´t think that EADS can not complain with Australia as a customer either. The Australian military has ordered the NH 90 and the Tiger from Eurocopter as well as the A330 MRTT. Granted I would have love to see Australia buying the A400M but I guess they needed the aircraft earlier as Airbus could deliever and the C 17 is a fabulous aircraft which will serve Australia well.
The Super Hornet is also the perfect aircraft for Australia needs the only sad thing regarding this decision is that it will mean the end of the F-111s in service.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12179 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 2):
The Super Hornet is also the perfect aircraft for Australia needs the only sad thing regarding this decision is that it will mean the end of the F-111s in service.

The SuperBug, or the F-35, is not a very good F-111 replacement, the F-15E is a much closer match to the Aardvarks (Pig's) capabilities.

Yes, I am not a big fan of the F/A-18E/F. Even though the RAAF already has F/A-18A/Bs those are totally different airplanes from the SuperBug.


User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):

Yes, I am not a big fan of the F/A-18E/F

Agreed. No offense to the old F-4 drivers but I'm getting the sense the the Super Hornets have of case of the Phantoms. That is they are becomming a jack of all trades and masters at none.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
F-15E is a much closer match to the Aardvarks (Pig's) capabilities.

Agreed again. I think though that the Vark has the edge over the Mud Hen in the air-to-ground role, being that it was designed as a low level bomber from the outset. The Varks were also so stinking fast at low level.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7630 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
Yes, I am not a big fan of the F/A-18E/F. Even though the RAAF already has F/A-18A/Bs those are totally different airplanes from the SuperBug.

Agreed,
I don't think the F-15E ever stood a real chance, IMHO we got the SuperBug for some of the same reasons the USN did.
The perception is that it is an upgrade to the F/A-18A/B we already operate, I think trying to introduce a completely different type(which in reality the 18F is) would have not have been so easy.

Also I believe the F-15E is not currently in production.(although with the SG & K models still being built this is unlikely a showstopper)

One of the smart things about this decision is, like the C-17 purchase, we are not trying to reinvent the wheel and are buying pretty much the same aircraft as the USN.

Cheers

PS, coupla dozen MudHens with kangaroos on the side would look real good tho



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 2):
the only sad thing regarding this decision is that it will mean the end of the F-111s in service.

It's like putting the Tomcat out to pasture.....one hell of an airplane that we airplane lovers wish would keep flying. But, it's that old story of the jacked up Mustang GT that is finally unable to compete in anything other than a straightline dragstrip race, and takes too much maintenance even then. The MudHen will serve well, and cost less to keep flying (unless Australia decides to have their own software package that requires new integration).

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 4):
The Varks were also so stinking fast at low level.

Damn skippy. Awesome sight when two fly 200 feet over you at full throttle......noise is unforgettable....



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12179 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7526 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 4):
I think though that the Vark has the edge over the Mud Hen in the air-to-ground role, being that it was designed as a low level bomber from the outset. The Varks were also so stinking fast at low level.

Yes, the 'vark is better than the MudHen at long range interdiction low level mission. The FB-111s were the best of all F-111s at that. Fortunately the RAAF picked up about 15 FB-111As after they were redesignated F-111Gs.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):
One of the smart things about this decision is, like the C-17 purchase, we are not trying to reinvent the wheel and are buying pretty much the same aircraft as the USN.

I have wondered about that. Why copy the USN? It seems to me the USAF fighters are much closer to the RAAF needs.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):
don't think the F-15E ever stood a real chance, IMHO we got the SuperBug for some of the same reasons the USN did.
The perception is that it is an upgrade to the F/A-18A/B we already operate, I think trying to introduce a completely different type(which in reality the 18F is) would have not have been so easy.

Also I believe the F-15E is not currently in production.(although with the SG & K models still being built this is unlikely a showstopper)

But the F/A-18E/F really is a totally different aircraft than the F/A-18A/B. If the RAAF wanted F-15Es tomorrow, Boeing would build them. It may be called the F-15R (for RAAF).


User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

I think the F/A-18F block II is a great aircraft - but I'd rather have my GE powered F-14D or a similarly powered F-15K IF I had a choice. I think it would be neat if the RAAF will buy the exact same F/A-18F as the USN is as I think they will, because they want the option of being able to sell them down the road back to the USN and go with 4 squdrons of JSF's. Personally, I don't like putting all my eggs in one basket and thereby I think the USN and every other jSF operator needs to have at least one additional aircraft type.

Now if the RAAF never had any inclination of using their Super Hornets on either US or the future British carriers, than I cannot help but wonder if why if your going to spend $6B than why wouldn't you spend $500m more and get the F-15K?

One advantage I can see in the F/A-18F is it's ability to sling what, 11 AMRAAM's? Given that the new AMRAAM's will soon be gong out to 100 miles that's a pretty potent platform especially when combined with a powerful AESA radar as it is. And if it needs close in action, AIM-9X on JHMCS works pretty damned skippy, too.

I like the F/A-18F block II and it's got to be an even easier and cost beneficial aircraft to maintain than even a new F-15K, but I sure hope the RAAF A-330 tankers can get the Super Bugs where they need to go.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7509 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Why copy the USN? It seems to me the USAF fighters are much closer to the RAAF needs.

I think I agree there, asked the same questions back when we first bought the Hornets, IIRC the other US contender was the F-16 and our decision makers had their heart set on 2 engines.
This time around they did a lot of the sales pitch (the Aus DOD not Boeing) based on the easy integration of an "upgraded" Hornet so nothing else was realistically on the table.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
But the F/A-18E/F really is a totally different aircraft than the F/A-18A/B

You know that, I know that, most here know that, I am sure Dr Nelson knows that, but the perception is it is later model of the A/B. That perception, perhaps has not been actively promoted but certainly no real attempt has been made to discourage it.
Realistically it was the Super Bug or nothing, and nothing was going to be a bad choice. Whilst the Pig may have been able(forced) to soldier on for a few more years, a fleet grounding issue would have left us badly exposed.
Getting what is also virtually identical to the USN version also leaves open the option of trading them back in favour of an extra F-35 squadron.. and also a measure of insurance in case the Lightning hits any snags..

Cheers



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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):

Also I believe the F-15E is not currently in production.

As of two years ago this time I know they were still in production. Granted a lot can change in two years.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):

PS, coupla dozen MudHens with kangaroos on the side would look real good tho

Whatever they are wearing, if you ever get a chance to go see one in action and you haven't before GO!!! You won't be disappointed. I've seen them viking climb to the point where they were making contrails. Unreal.


User currently offlineLegs From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):
The perception is that it is an upgrade to the F/A-18A/B we already operate, I think trying to introduce a completely different type(which in reality the 18F is) would have not have been so easy.

What makes that argument even less credible, is the fact the 18F's will be operated from a completely separate airbase (Amberley), and the weapon system managed as a strike platform by 82WG, as opposed to a fighter.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7320 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 8):
but I sure hope the RAAF A-330 tankers can get the Super Bugs where they need to go.

Is there a thing ore two that,s talk against it?



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12179 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 12):
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 8):
but I sure hope the RAAF A-330 tankers can get the Super Bugs where they need to go.

Is there a thing ore two that,s talk against it?

No, the RAAF KC-30Bs should be easily able to refuel the SuperBug.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
If the RAAF wanted F-15Es tomorrow, Boeing would build them. It may be called the F-15R (for RAAF).



Quoting AirRyan (Reply 8):
but I'd rather have my GE powered F-14D or a similarly powered F-15K IF I had a choice.

Or they could be the launch customer for the F-15E+ Super Eagle if the choice weren't "Superbug or nothing." I'm sure Boeing wouldn't mind the upgrade, and might even be cajoled into quoting a very good price. The RAAF could also benefit through the availability of spares common with the F-15K and F-15SG.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...icleID=209633&PrinterFriendly=true

However, LockMart wouldn't be too happy with that idea.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):
PS, coupla dozen MudHens with kangaroos on the side would look real good tho

Won't a cassowary, emu, kiwi or an ostrich be more apt?

[Edited 2007-03-08 03:49:00]


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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7165 times:
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Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 14):
Superbug or nothing."

I think politically in Australia it was, not so much about what is available.

Certainly not a Kiwi that is a New Zealand Airforce symbol .. and an increasingly appropriate one!



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7140 times:

Flightglobal's take on the matter.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-given-go-ahead-no-effect-on.html

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 15):
I think politically in Australia it was, not so much about what is available.

IMHO, that point is adequately illustrated in this DID coverage of the issues.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...super-hornets-under-fire/index.php

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 15):
Certainly not a Kiwi that is a New Zealand Airforce symbol

My bad!  footinmouth 



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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6953 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 16):
IMHO, that point is adequately illustrated in this DID coverage of the issues.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...x.php

I cannot believe that the Aussies use the argument that there are financial savings by utilizing a Super Hornet from a legacy hornet operators perspective - the Super Hornet is an almost completely new build aircraft by Boeing that just happened to resemble a legacy Hornet so they could justify bypassing Congressional approval and not have to submit to a fighter jet competition!

The Super Hornet has some pros and cons, but go ask the South Koreans why they selected the F-15K with GE engines over the Super Hornet, hell go ask our USAF which one they would buy - this is a Boeing sweetheart deal but Boeing is in that posistion to market whatever suits them best at the time and that's just the way it is.

And that part about economics of the JSF versus a Super Hornet - there is just no way that given simple value of the dollar today versus what it will be like in 5 to 10 years via inflation alone that the Super Hornets are and will always be less expensive than the JSF, an aircraft who is NOT in production right and subject to all sorts of further price increases (i.e. it's not going down in price!)


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12179 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6829 times:

The words of Austrailian Defense Minister Nelson;

About the F-15E

"The reality is the F-15 is about 30 to $40 million more expensive than the Super Hornet. It is approaching the end of its life. It also has a low observable profile which is not attractive to our country's needs. It also has limited transferability in terms of weapons. We are a Hornet country."

About the F-22A

"...We still expect the US military however to acquire about two and a half thousand of the aircraft in contrast to the 183, or thereabouts, F-22s that they will have. We are not prepared as a country of 20 million people requiring a hundred aircraft to sign on for 20 per cent of the global on costs of an F-22, and knowing that as brilliant an air-to-air combat aircraft that it is, that it is not specifically the right aircraft for Australia."


About the F-35A

"The Joint Strike Fighter has a wider range of sensors. It can carry larger weapons, a wider range of weapons and a total carriage of more weapons than the F-22.

I guess those who ask the question... there's been discussion in the press again about why shouldn't we just have an all F-22 fleet. I think it's pretty obvious if the F-22 could do everything, the USAF wouldn't need the JSF as well. So they recognise the F-22 can't do everything."

I would hope my Defense Minister actually knew something about defense.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

The Super Hornet buy is being touted as underpinning Australia's aerospace industrial capabilities, and that it could lead to a wider industrial involvement in the JSF program.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...tralias-super-hornet-purchase.html

Quote:
"Australia's A$6 billion ($4.7 billion) purchase of 24 Boeing F/A-18F Block II Super Hornets, announced last week, will underpin the country's aerospace industrial capabilities and could help lead to wider industrial involvement in the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) project."


A similar environment could be in place, especially with the Boeing equipment already in service with the ADF and the civilian sector, where a buy back of the Super Hornets might be arranged with an F-15E+ Super Eagle deal. However, I agree that Australia has to leverage its investments in the JSF (a longer future, barring F-22 acquisition - in which Boeing also has an interest.)



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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6743 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
...We still expect the US military however to acquire about two and a half thousand of the aircraft in contrast to the 183, or thereabouts, F-22s

Am I reading that correctly? The Aussie's think we are going to get 2,500 F-22s?  confused 


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6716 times:
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Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 20):
Am I reading that correctly? The Aussie's think we are going to get 2,500 F-22s?

I don't think so, whilst I have not seen the full release that quote is from it appears Dr Nelson is quoting the projected JSF purchase compared to the relatively few F-22 that even the USAF is getting.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 17):
I cannot believe that the Aussies use the argument that there are financial savings by utilizing a Super Hornet from a legacy hornet operators perspective - the Super Hornet is an almost completely new build aircraft by Boeing that just happened to resemble a legacy Hornet so they could justify bypassing Congressional approval and not have to submit to a fighter jet competition!

I think you answered your own comment here, I think the ability to pass the SuperBug off as an upgraded Hornet was not lost on the Australian buyers either. It allowedthe perception that this was really a stopgap plan and not intended to be permanent (Doubt those aircraft will ever have US livery painted on them though)



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12179 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 20):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 18):
...We still expect the US military however to acquire about two and a half thousand of the aircraft in contrast to the 183, or thereabouts, F-22s

Am I reading that correctly? The Aussie's think we are going to get 2,500 F-22s?

If he is confusing the USAF F-22A buy with the USAF, USN, and USMC buy of the F-35A/B/Cs, then I really have to question why this guy is the Aussie Defense Minister.


Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 19):
A similar environment could be in place, especially with the Boeing equipment already in service with the ADF and the civilian sector, where a buy back of the Super Hornets might be arranged with an F-15E+ Super Eagle deal. However, I agree that Australia has to leverage its investments in the JSF (a longer future, barring F-22 acquisition - in which Boeing also has an interest.)

Who does Australia think will be interested in Block 2 F/A-18E/Fs in 2020? These airplanes are going to eventually replace the RAAF F/A-18A/Bs. An F-15E+ deal is better for them now.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6640 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
If he is confusing the USAF F-22A buy with the USAF, USN, and USMC buy of the F-35A/B/Cs, then I really have to question why this guy is the Aussie Defense Minister

As I said earlier, I believe he is comparing NOT confusing the F-35 buy with the with the F-22 program.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
Who does Australia think will be interested in Block 2 F/A-18E/Fs in 2020? These airplanes are going to eventually replace the RAAF F/A-18A/Bs.

IMHO, no one. We will buy and keep these F-18/F(wouldn't surprise if we buy more!)
In an ideal world some F-15x would be a good thing but we are getting SuperBugs for the same reason the USN did... it was that or nothing.

Having had little faith in Defense Ministers of late and with all due respect to the good Dr, he seems to have a better grasp of the big picture than his recent predecessors.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

How does the Super Hornet handle turbulent air? To judge from the 7.30 report of 15 March 2007, it has a few opponents lined up. And the department seems willing to leak that it did not want the plane. Sounds like a problem. Nelson still has to explain what he is going to do with the Super Sprites. The Hornets might in the end sting the nice Dr Nelson.

25 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Are those the same people who were against Oz's involvement in and purchase of, the JSF? IMO, the Superbug's tenacity would only be as good as the st
26 Post contains images Baroque : From the interest shown to date, it would appear that each of these has difficulty flying in the reverse gravity fields that are found in Australia!
27 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Especially when one sees reports such as this..... http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...imates-us-aircraft-costs/index.php Quote: "Some examples of
28 Baroque : Bloody hell, and ouch and similar noises!! But our eager beaver Min Def is still hot on the trail to get stung by the Super Hornet. In an av thread L
29 747400sp : Is the F-18 F Block II the Rhino with 25000 LB of thurst in each of it's engines?
30 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : Done deal..... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...gns-super-hornet-fighter-deal.html Quote: "Australia has signed US foreign military sales contra
31 LY744 : I hope this purchase works out better for the Aussies than the ASRAAM deal. LY744.
32 Baroque : The eager beaver was part of a losing government and now heads the opposition. It has been commented since the election, that the Super Hornet purcha
33 AirRyan : It's the best bang for the buck with what is available for purchase - think about it - you don't hear the USN complaining about the 400+ Super Hornet
34 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Is there a realistic chance of the F/A-18E/F contract being modified/rescinded or would this just be an ammo gathering exercise by the Raptor propone
35 Post contains links Baroque : Well there are a few others you might need to convince, I am just a messenger. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/30/2105721.htm New Defence
36 AirRyan : The Aussie government is just being foolish here - I bet the RAAF will be happier in the long run with the F/A-18F's than they ever will be with the F
37 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Not trying to convince anybody - I have no horse in this race (err, my favored longshot, the Super Eagle - seems to be a non-starter). Just asking if
38 AirRyan : " target=_blank>http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...2681/ That argument I could understand - an F/A-18F and potential EA-18G mix combined with an
39 EBJ1248650 : The point seems to be we're buying more of the Hornet/Super Hornet family( total of about 2,500 airplanes) than we are of F-22As.
40 Baroque : I would very much like for it to stop being so foolish! You don't want me to list the doubtful programs we have had in the last 10 to 15 years do you
41 F27Friendship : it is a myth that Australia's neighbours our packing more airpower than Australia has. Your not talking about the 4 frames the indonesians have do yo
42 High_flyr69 : Quoting Baroque (Reply 40): Question, how would Super Hornets go against Sukhois with well trained crews on both sides? Not well seems to be the answe
43 Baroque : At face value, that would mean we do not need anything at all. Way to go with the NZ approach. I rather doubt if the Aus navy presents a credible def
44 AirRyan : Thee who sees the other first is usually going to win the fight and with the AESA radars I'd give the edge to the Super Hornets; and if they do come
45 Baroque : I had heard a rumour that the Chinese were faintly interested in this plane, but I expect it is just another myth. But you are right, PNGs air force
46 Post contains links Baroque : This subject has opened up again under: Australian Government To Scrap S/H Order... (by QANTAS077 Dec 30 2007 in Military Aviation & Space Flight) Aus
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