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Forget Fixed Wing! Top 10 Helicopters!  
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 24455 times:

Enough of the silly fixed wing threads! Helicopters are where the men are separated from the boys!  Wink

So what are the greatest military helicopters of all time?

Here's my list:

#10 - Mil Mi-24 Hind

I really didn't want to put this turkey on the list. Having actually had the chance to crawl all over this helicopter... and having seen it in action... I echo many of my colleagues disappointment. However, the fear factor cannot be denied. This helicopter was a bogeyman to Western militaries for many years. It's capabilities were thought to be far greater than they really were - and propelled western military forces to continue improving/advancing their own helicopter fleets. The Hind is by far one of the most overrated helicopters... but its effect on the helicopter community is undeniable.


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#9 - Focke-Wulf Fw 61

It's where it all began. The Germans were way ahead of their time. When the rest of the world mocked the notion of helicopters... Germany saw the great potential in them. And when everyone else was still messing around with autogyros, Heinrich Focke was building the first controllable helicopter. No small feat.

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#8 - Mil Mi-26 Halo

Perhaps never very practical - this helicopter still put everyone else to shame. CH-47? CH-53? Both look like toys compared to this monster. The Russians always had a knack for building mammoths - and the Halo is no exception. With the ability to carry over 100 people, travel roughly 1000nm, and take off at 123,500lbs! The Halo is in a class unto itself.


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#7 - Sikorsky CH-53 Super Stallion

It's a real toss up between this and the CH-47 Chinook. Both aircraft gained fame in Vietnam as outstanding helicopters. Both are massive in size... and can haul an ungodly amount of cargo. But I think the CH-53 wins out simply because it frequently does what the CH-47 community tries to avoid - flying directly into combat. How many missions has the MH-53 performed, that the public is unaware of? Definite beast of a helicopter.


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#6 - Westland Lynx

The sport car of helicopters. 249kts!? Flight maneuvers akin to a fixed wing aircraft? It's a fantastically designed aircraft that pushes the envelope.


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#5 - Sikorsky H-3 Sea King

Probably one of the best naval helicopters of all time. A true work horse, whether it was hunting subs, med-evacing wounded, search/rescue, hauling cargo... or hauling VIPs. And how many downed pilots have this helicopter to thank for being rescued?


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#4 - Bell AH-1 Cobra

Before this beautiful looking helicopter, gunships were only modified utility helicopters. The Cobra revolutionized the modern helicopter gunship. It brought military thinking and tactics into an entirely new direction. And increased the helicopter's lethality on the battlefield, exponentially. And it has served proudly in the militaries of many nations, and is still seeing combat with the USMC in both Iraq and Afghanistan.


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#3 - Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk

Alright... maybe I am a bit bias on this one! But I couldn't NOT put it in the top three! What an incredible helicopter. It took the best of the UH-1 and improved on it. The solid design has saved my life on a number of occasions. It's logging more flight hours than any other helicopter in Iraq, and it's vital to the daily operation of the US Army. It replaced the UH-1 with the US Army, it replaced the H-3s in both the US Navy and USCG, it has performed admirably as a SpecOp platform... and it serves as an outstanding VIP transport. FANTASTIC helicopter.


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#2 - Bell H-13 Sioux

When you see this helicopter - you think of M*A*S*H, Korea and med-evacing thousands of wounded soldiers to safety. In the Korean War, how many soldiers were saved from injuries that would have killed men only a few years prior, in WWII? This is the helicopter that convinced the world that helicopters could serve a useful purpose. And it still flies commercially today - training many students how to become good pilots.


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#1 - Bell UH-1 Iroquois (Huey)

This is a no brainer. The Huey revolutionized helicopter tactics in the militaries of not only the US, but throughout the world. It is probably the most recognized helicopter, by both look and sound. The very image of a Huey symbolizes an entire war - the Vietnam War. And with over 70 nations operating the UH-1, it is unquestionably the most prolific helicopter of all time.


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So what do y'all think?

-UH60

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User currently offlineHeliflyerPDC From Belgium, joined Sep 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 24436 times:

My top 10


#1 Sikorsky/ Westland SeaKing


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#2 AgustaWestland EH/US 101


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#3 Skorsky UH-60 Blackhawk


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#4 Sikorsky SA)">CH-53 Super Stallion


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#5 Bell UH-1 Iroquois (Huey)


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#6 Sud SA-318C Alouette II


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#7 McDonnell Douglas AH-64A Apache


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#8 Boeing CH-47 Chinook


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#9 Eurocopter Dolphin II


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#10 MBB BO-105P


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and one of my alltime favorites (but not really a helicopter)

the Bell-Boeing MV-22B Osprey

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grtz PDC

[Edited 2007-03-08 13:23:17]

[Edited 2007-03-08 13:31:54]


grtz PDC
User currently offlineArniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 24429 times:

I would put the Jet ranger also on that list because it must be the most widely used helo all over the world for all possible tasks and also it must be a timeless design because it still is one of the most popular helo's after all these years.

The same goes for the MIL MI8,which can also not be forgotten and is therefore on my list.

The 2 coolest helicopters are the Kamov Ka 50 and the cayuse used in MAGNUM PI.


PS: UH60, which helicopters have you flown up until now and which one would you still want to fly in?
Just a question out of curiosity.



Edited for PS

[Edited 2007-03-08 13:27:42]


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User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 24378 times:

Good to have a thread starter with such a keen sense of history! The Focke-Wulf Fw 61 was also a 'first' in being uniquely marketed to senior Nazis in Feb 1938 when it was flown by Hanna Reitsch *inside* the Deutschlandhalle in Berlin.

I think that there are two other military helicopters which should be considered. The first is the Kaman H-43 Huskie which borrowed heavily upon the German WW2 Flettner designs with intermeshing rotors. When combined with the relatively new gas turbine this produced a very useful specialist airborne crash and fire-rescue vehicle which was used on most USAF bases. I believe the Huskie was also the original CSAR helo in the mid-sixties in Vietnam although perhaps more by circumstance than design. One Huskie actually plucked a Thud driver, one Major Robert Wilson, from an opposed crash site in North Vietnam on 23rd June 1965. The type was rapidly replaced by the HH-3 in this role but nevertheless the flimsy little short-legged Huskie was the first of the CSARs!

The other helicopter is the Sikorsky S-55. This was designed just a tad too early to take advantage of the gas turbine and so had to rely upon a 600hp P&W Wasp radial. It was very innovative in that the fuselage and therefore cabin was a large box hanging under the main rotor, also the engine was easily accessible for maintenance in the field. The H-19 and HRS-1 military derivatives really pioneered the art of helicopter airborne assault and served in Korea, Vietnam and Malaya. The UH-1 owed a great deal to the S-55.

 ghost 



"I chase my dreams but I never seem to arrive"
User currently offlineEgronenthal From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 24367 times:

What about the Robinson R22 and R44? At last count (Aviation Week March 5, 2007), Robinson had delivered 4,100 R22s and 3,400 R44s, with production running around 800 helicopters per year! And don't forget that nearly all of these have been civil orders, i.e. no big military contracts to prop up the numbers. If anyone has made the helicopter even remotely affordable for the average man on the street, it's Frank Robinson.

User currently offlineHeliflyerPDC From Belgium, joined Sep 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 24361 times:

Quoting Egronenthal (Reply 4):
What about the Robinson R22 and R44

These are great helicopters, I know I fly on R22 for my training and later this year the R44.
The reason that no one has mentioned these ,is because of this:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
So what are the greatest military helicopters of all time?

grtz PDC

ps this is my instuctor and me on a training flight near ANR


[Edited 2007-03-08 16:02:27]


grtz PDC
User currently offlineHeliflyerPDC From Belgium, joined Sep 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 24355 times:

Quoting Egronenthal (Reply 4):
made the helicopter even remotely affordable for the average man on the street

the R22 startprice is at about $200.000 (usd), something I for one can't affort  Wink

THis makes me wonder, How much do the other helicopters , mentioned in this threat actually cost

grtz PDC



grtz PDC
User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2604 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 24337 times:
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I don't understand why you would underestimate the Mi-24 so much. It was and still is quite a formidable attack helicopter. Also I think the Mi-8/17 deserves the spot of the Mi-26 since it has been far more useful and practical and been in service in much greater numbers for much longer. If you wanna base it on size alone, the Mi-6 was bigger...

User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 24202 times:

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 3):
The UH-1 owed a great deal to the S-55.

Building on that the UH-60 wouldn't be half the helo it is without lessons learned by the Huey's combat experience in Vietnam.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24173 times:
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Man, how could we not include the Mil Mi-12?


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Open up the large version of the lower-right photo to get an idea of the scale.....those are men walking around on the wing....


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User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 24101 times:
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Great thread, "Rotorhead"!!!  praise 

I've had a love affair with helicopters since I was a boy. Too bad I was born with lousy vision. Although a sympathetic Huey driver at Fort Bragg, NC took pity on me one Sunday morning and gave me an hour of stick time! Didn't do too bad and I'll remember every second of that flight for the rest of my life!  veryhappy 

I love you guys/gals! ROTORHEADS RULE!  bigthumbsup 

Thanks,

Marc



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24085 times:

I was wonder what was going to be next.

My top ten list....sorry don't have time to provide photos-American Chopper is on  Big grin

I'll come back later and explain the choices.

10. Eurocopter Super Puma
9. Sikorsky CH-54
8. Pilaski H-21
7. Sikorsky R-4
6. Sikorski Sea King
5. Boeing Vertol CH-47
4. Hughes 500/OH-6
3. Mil-8/17
2. Bell 47
1. Bell UH-1 Huey

Honorable Mentions....

Sikorsky UH-60
Flettner FL265
Bell AH-1



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineBeta From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24087 times:

UH60, I'd like to know why you left out the CH47, one of the most successful twin rotor helicopters, and a versatile platform. It has performed very well in the rugged, mountainous battlefield of Afghanistan, where many other helicopters are not as versatile. Interested in hearing your reasoning. thanks.

User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24021 times:

Quoting Arniepie (Reply 2):
I would put the Jet ranger also on that list

The Jet ranger is a decent helicopter - but I was think just in military terms. And the Jet ranger has had far more success in the civilian world, than in combat. Granted the OH-58 is a nimble little helicopter... but I'm not sure it's one of history's "best".

Quoting Egronenthal (Reply 4):
What about the Robinson R22 and R44?

Again, I was only thinking in military terms. But yes - these are two excellent helicopters. Perfect for training.

Quoting Arniepie (Reply 2):
PS: UH60, which helicopters have you flown up until now and which one would you still want to fly in?
Just a question out of curiosity.

Aircraft I am rated in:

- UH-60A/L
- OH-58C
- TH-67

Aircraft I have flown, but not rated in:

- R-22
- UH-1
- CH-47 (shhh... this wasn't technically within the rules  Wink )

Military helicopters I have flown on:

- CH-46
- MH-60
- British Puma
- Polish Mi24

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 7):
I don't understand why you would underestimate the Mi-24 so much. It was and still is quite a formidable attack helicopter.

Because it is totally overrated. There is a thread somewhere here on Anet where I wrote an indepth evaluation of the Mi-24 Hind. And I really don't have the time to rewrite it all... but I will give you the quick version.

It is very vulnerable to heat-seeking manpads.

It makes a crappy troop transport. You can't do efficient fast rope or rappelling insertions. You cannot do SPIE or FRIE extractions. You can't use a bambi bucket or hoist. You cannot perform paradrops. And the troop doors are cumbersome and do not allow for quick exit, when such is needed in a hot LZ.

As a former crew chief - I thought the Mi-24, SUCKED. When you were coming into a tight LZ/PZ you cannot stick your head out and monitor the tail. It is very easy for the pilots to stick that tail rotor into a tree or building. Totally unacceptable.

It's weapon systems were mediocre. Night systems were substandard. Laser designator was 10years behind US/NATO.

The cockpit was inefficient. Cluttered with hundreds of small buttons, pressure gauges, dials, etc... And while the armored bathtub that you sit in, is very nice for protection, it totally obstructs your vision. And again... as a helicopter pilot, you need to know where EVERYTHING around you is.

The pilot controls were horrible. With a helicopter of that size and power... you need better pilot assist systems. SOMETHING needs to relieve the pilot of constantly flying that helicopter! When you are coming in to a hot LZ in a high altitude environment, with high temperatures, and near max payload weight... you don't want the pilot straining to fly that helicopter!

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Look I could go on... but the point is... the Mi-24 is grossly overrated. For the reputation that it has built up in the West, it is a very big disappointment when you actually get to put it through its paces. Sorry - but the thing is NOT a great helicopter.

Quoting Beta (Reply 12):
UH60, I'd like to know why you left out the CH47, one of the most successful twin rotor helicopters, and a versatile platform. It has performed very well in the rugged, mountainous battlefield of Afghanistan, where many other helicopters are not as versatile. Interested in hearing your reasoning. thanks.

Well I really didn't leave it out. It was a close choice between the CH-53 and CH-47 for the #7 slot. Both are amazing work horses. Both made their name, and proved themselves in Vietnam. Both can sling-load an amazing amount of weight. Both can go higher/faster than anything else we've got. BUT... I think the CH-53 wins out simply because just look at the K model... 83,000lbs max gross! And look at the history of the CH-53, it has repeatedly been flown into combat, and performed admirably. And the truth still remains, the CH-47 community still trains their crews to avoid combat and unless we're talking MH-47s... the Chinook rarely flies into the teeth of the monster. But the -53 does.

-UH60


User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2604 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 23935 times:
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Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
Look I could go on... but the point is... the Mi-24 is grossly overrated. For the reputation that it has built up in the West, it is a very big disappointment when you actually get to put it through its paces. Sorry - but the thing is NOT a great helicopter.

I'll respect your opinion, but having talked to several Mi-24 pilots they have all told me they love it and think it is a great machine. It is outdated nowadays without upgrades though, I'll agree with you on that. Also, while it had the ability to carry people, it was used more in a CAS role and not airdropping.


User currently offlineCTR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23924 times:

UH60, I agree with the rest. Great Thread Starter!

Many can argue the rankings of 2 through 10. But it is hard to argue that the Bell UH-1 Huey should be crowned number 1.

How many aircraft have been in continous production for over fifty years and have used up the entire alphabet in versions?

I once heard a USMC General say "When they retire the last UH-60, the crew will be transported to their new replacement aircraft in a UH-1".

Have fun,

CTR



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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 23905 times:

Quoting CTR (Reply 15):
"When they retire the last UH-60, the crew will be transported to their new replacement aircraft in a UH-1"

He stole that from "When the last B-2 goes to DMAFB, the crew will be carried home by a B-52"


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 23853 times:

I am somewhat confused by the UH-60, and the high regard it is given, I hope this is not a thread hijack. UH-60 are being used to death in the US current conflicts, so much so that they are removing all that are in reserve positions to place them in frontline service - DEA and others are giving them up -, this displays the strength of the decision to equip the reserve and fronline units with the same equipment, so why not buy more UH-60's, why replace them in the reserve units with a/c not capable of frontline service? If another conflict arises, there will either be no fall back or frontline units will have to fall back using less capable a/c.

I'm missing something with the UH-60, with that said, I think the Cobra should be ranked above the Blackhawk.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 23823 times:

I watched a film, Blood Diamond recently, and there was a scene when Leonardo Dicaprio's Colonel (played by actor Arnold Vosloo), attacked the diamond mine using an extremely beautiful, powerful and impressive helicopter.

What type of helicopter is that? I am totally fall over it.


User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1565 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 23797 times:

I have to say this thread is one of the most interesting all around the forums for a while.Although flying the big jets for a living I always remember my feet's very first leaving from the ground with a UH1-H on a open public day of the Turkish AirForce.A flight around the airfield less than 20 minutes was enough to win my heart.

Unfortunately that very same helicopter(the same msn number) broke my heart forever 2 years later,after crashing on a lake, killing 3 occupants including my very own brother.Sadly this was the first time ever he flew on a flying machine.

UH60FtRucker,

Although I 100% agree with your list, I wonder why you left AH64 Apache out of top 10?

[Edited 2007-03-10 22:23:31]


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 23788 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
#8 - Mil Mi-26 Halo

Perhaps never very practical - this helicopter still put everyone else to shame. CH-47? CH-53? Both look like toys compared to this monster. The Russians always had a knack for building mammoths - and the Halo is no exception. With the ability to carry over 100 people, travel roughly 1000nm, and take off at 123,500lbs! The Halo is in a class unto itself.

The Mil Mi-26 isn't useful ??? LOL, do you know what you're talking about ? Without that thing, the exploitation of gas and oil fields in Siberia would have been MUCH harder. In fact, it is so useful that it is also used in Canada now.
You don't need the Mi-26 very often, but when you do, you can be glad to have it.

BTW, the 1000nm range figure is exaggerated. With the full payload of 20 tonnes, 450nm are much more realistic.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23772 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
t makes a crappy troop transport. You can't do efficient fast rope or rappelling insertions. You cannot do SPIE or FRIE extractions. You can't use a bambi bucket or hoist. You cannot perform paradrops. And the troop doors are cumbersome and do not allow for quick exit, when such is needed in a hot LZ.

The role of troop transport in the Hind is secondary, almost tacked on, so you can't expect it to be a good transport ship when its main role has always been the attack one.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
As a former crew chief - I thought the Mi-24, SUCKED. When you were coming into a tight LZ/PZ you cannot stick your head out and monitor the tail. It is very easy for the pilots to stick that tail rotor into a
tree or building. Totally unacceptable.

Maybe I'm off here, but I don't think Apache pilots can "stick their heads out" and monitor the tail rotor, either.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
It's weapon systems were mediocre. Night systems were substandard. Laser designator was 10years behind US/NATO.

The cockpit was inefficient. Cluttered with hundreds of small buttons, pressure gauges, dials, etc...

Most of those issues are solved on the Mi-35M2, with improved weapons systems and cockpit. Two large, color MFD's replace that silly paper-map rotator of the old hinds and reduce the amount of "steam gauge" instruments by quite a lot; and the cockpit allow's NVG use(being black, etc.). The old rangefinder was replaced with a FLIR turret that uses sensors based on SAGEM's technology.

The old 12,7 gaitling was replaced with double-barreled GSh-23L 23mm gun, and the capacity to carry up to 16 Ataka-V(or Shturms) missiles instead of only 4 Spirals

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
And while the armored bathtub that you sit in, is very nice for protection, it totally obstructs your vision. And again... as a helicopter pilot, you need to know where EVERYTHING around you is.

New seat can have its height adjusted, although, admitedly, I still find the foward-view a bit too clutered with the HUD and the missile alert system. Still had a decent view of my surroundings when I sat in it.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
The pilot controls were horrible. With a helicopter of that size and power... you need better pilot assist systems. SOMETHING needs to relieve the pilot of constantly flying that helicopter! When you are coming in to a hot LZ in a high altitude environment, with high temperatures, and near max payload weight... you don't want the pilot straining to fly that helicopter!

The system has been replaced with new ones derived from the Mi-28, including main and tail rotors with composite blades, and the gear retracting system has been removed, reducing weight by a good 300kg, and the wings have been shortened, improving perfomance and finally giving the Hind the ability to hover on ground effect. And new engines of course, the VK-2500 with 2400hp(2700 in emergency mode) and includes FADEC systems.

I think the only thing it probably keeps from the original Hind, besides a few subsystems here and there, the remaining gauges and HUD, is the fuselage.


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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23770 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 20):
Without that thing, the exploitation of gas and oil fields in Siberia would have been MUCH harder. In fact, it is so useful that it is also used in Canada now.

The thread is dealing with military application for helicopters. That's why it's posted in the military av forum. Exploration of oil and gas fields is not a military application.

Quoting A342 (Reply 20):
LOL, do you know what you're talking about ?

Being that this thread deals with helicopters in military av yes, UH60 does know what he is talking about. Do you have any idea what he is currently doing? He is flying COMBAT missions in Iraq. Every second of everyday some one is trying to kill him whether it be with IEDs on the ground or RPGs in the air. If that doesn't qualify him to judge whether or not a helicopter is a good military machine than I don't what would.


On a different note, you weren't born on the old Soviet part of Germany were you?


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 23755 times:

Quoting Wing (Reply 19):
Although I 100% agree with your list, I wonder why you left AH64 Apache out of top 10?

The Apache eats money like a 5year old eats candy. Its had huge issues with requiring huge MX and not making the grade for being available for a mission at any given time.

Basicly it was sold as the second coming, and turned out it couldn't even replace the much older cobra for many missions. Or for the marines at all.


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 23741 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 22):

The thread is dealing with military application for helicopters. That's why it's posted in the military av forum. Exploration of oil and gas fields is not a military application.

Sure it deals with miltitary apllication, nonetheless the Mi 26 was mentioned by UH60FtRucker in this thread. The Mi 26 was build with the huge solitude of Sibiria in mind.
BTW UH60FtRucker said

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Perhaps never very practical

- which doesn't look like a final judgement on its abilities...

pelican


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26 KevinSmith : What I was trying to point out was that A342 was defending the usefulness of the MI 26 by citing it's service exploring gas and oil pipelines, a non-
27 HeliflyerPDC : My #10 the MBB BO-105P recently celebrated it's 40th birthday. It's first flight was in February 1967. This is something only a few airplanes of helic
28 Post contains images Keesje : Good list IMO UH60FtRucker I think the "Huey from the other side" also deserves attention, thousands in use all over the world, first flight more then
29 A342 : In fact, it is also useful for military applications. Sure, it is a bit large for a battlefield transporter, but nothing can beat it when operating i
30 Columba : My list: #1 Bell UH 1 best looking with the best sound of all helicopters #2 Bo 105 If you ever saw this one at an airshow you will know why this is s
31 Sovietjet : The Mi-26 is very useful in military applications....in fact it was used quite often in the Chechnya wars and is still used in several countries to gr
32 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Well yes and no. Yes all of the Army's UH-60s are being removed from "home front" missions. They will no longer be used for domestic RAID, DEA, med-e
33 Post contains images A342 : Did you even bother to read reply 29 ? No, it isn't. No, at least not when you consider its performance. Compared to which other helos ? BTW, if it w
34 Acheron : Like you said, its not tactical, but I think it fits the strategic role very well, being able to transport BMP/BTR's into areas where a C-130/An-12 w
35 Post contains links and images Fumanchewd : Licensed aerobatic helicopter pilots are a tiny fraternity in Europe. Pilot Rainer Wilke, a former German military pilot and the Flying Bulls’ only
36 Post contains images Boeing4ever : I'm on it. Figured as much. Lucky the Poles don't operate them in some of the much 'hotter' zones in the country. B4e-Forever New Frontiers
37 Post contains images L-188 : Famous last word Right up there with "This Harbor is too shallow for torpedos" Agreed, it would be a rear area bird. But compare that with the CH-47
38 Post contains images Sovietjet : As if most of the helicopters on that list aren't
39 Fumanchewd : He placed the MI-26 in the his top 10, what more can you want? Its just his opinion and you look a little silly complaining about someone's opinion o
40 A342 : I'm not complaining about anyone's opinion. After all, everybody has the right to have his own opinion, and everybody has to respect it. I'm just con
41 GDB : Great thread, though I find myself almost entirely agreeing with UH-60FtRucker's choices, I'd have put CH-47/CH-53 in joint position. Glad to see the
42 Post contains links Vzlet : I'm not sure if the CH-53 was the first helicopter to loop and roll, but it predates the B0-105 by several years. Here's some great footage of it. (A
43 Pyrex : I agree with most of it but somehow I believe there should be a place on that list for another European helicopter, even if it is just to pay tribute
44 Post contains links and images Sonic67 : Kamov Ka-50 View Large View MediumPhoto © Sergey Riabsev - Russian AviaPhoto Team The Hokum was designed to be small, fast, and agile it can perf
45 Post contains images DEVILFISH : I would include the Kamov Ka-50 Hokum and Ka-52 Alligator in the "almost" category together with the Comanche in the sense that they were not built o
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