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Any Immediate Plans For A New Air Force One?  
User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 753 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6405 times:

I apologize in advance if this topic has already been discussed, but I was wondering whether the United States government had any immediate intentions to replace the President/VP's aircrafts? I mean, not a lot of people fly 742s.... Hypothetically speaking, if they were to consider a replacement for Air Force One, what would it be? the 748? How likely would it be that the US government pick an Airbus aircraft? I know, when pigs fly, right?  Big grin

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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

AFAIK there´s no plan to order a new A/C , but if they oreder a new A/C it will be Boeing  Wink

I think this goes to the military forum  Smile


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

A Q400 would be a nice replacement.  duck 


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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

The previous Air Force One fleet was used for over 25 years and there is little reason to think that the current one would be any different. The main advantages of the newer 747s are mostly fuel economy, slightly more space and higher MTOW, factors that are not very important for use as Air Force One. Fuel economy is not very important since the plane spends little time in the air, nowhere near enough to justify the cost of new planes. More space and lift are always better, but the improvement is not enough to make much of an operational difference.

User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1062 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

How old is the current one? They may wanna wait until the A380 is finally ready. It would be more becoming for an Air Force One.  Smile

User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

An obvious alternative would be the B777 or B787, IMO. However as noted above, there's no reason to assume a replacement would be coming soon.

User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting VS11 (Reply 4):
How old is the current one? They may wanna wait until the A380 is finally ready.

Haha. That was a joke right? I just want to make sure. Deffinatly not during the Bush time period will he want to fly on a French Air Force One.

IMO, there will not be a new one for some time. Maybe in 10 years or so they will get the newest jet out from Boeing. Probably not a 747-8 or anything like this. I can see Joni's idea of a T7. I really liked the look of the older Air Force One without a hump. Plus, the current Air Force One is just huge and not necessary.


- Kyle



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User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5899 times:
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The current one is only 17 years old. It was delivered in 1990 and Bush was the first to use it.

User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Quoting VS11 (Reply 4):
How old is the current one? They may wanna wait until the A380 is finally ready. It would be more becoming for an Air Force One.

I think it might be quite appropriate. You could paint it the color of a pig for all the pork barrell spending and as luck might have it the 380 looks like a pig too.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):
Probably not a 747-8 or anything like this.

IIRC, Air Force preferred 707 first and 747 later due to their four engines. It's harder to destroy and safer to land in case one (or two) engines get damaged during missile attack. The 747 with one engine destroyed lacks only 25% of power, while 777 would loose not only 50% of it, but also potentially destroyed engine would create much greater damage to aircraft structure due to the massive size of GE-90, affecting the manoeuverability of the aircraft and its overall safety.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised that in 20 years or so, the next Air Force One platform would be based on heavily modified passenger 747-8. Keep in mind, that current one - based on 747-200B - is often called "747-400 without winglets", since it is not only heavily modified military airplane, but also it features a great deal of modifications done with 747-400 in mind.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2378 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):
Plus, the current Air Force One is just huge and not necessary.

And every square inch of it is used. If it had the capability to use the "crown attic", they would. I personally see them doing this if/when a 747-8 is ordered. Equipment that is not used on the E4-B's can be incorporated into the "VC-25NG" attic space. Then the aircraft will have the capability for a simple POTUS transport to a (God forbid) full fledged flying war room with no need for the E4's.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 5):
An obvious alternative would be the B777 or B787, IMO

Let's hope that never happens.  no 

It would make more sense to go for space and that would mean the 747. They would never go with Airbus so a 747-400 or 800 would be the one to go for.
The current Airforce One has PLENTY of life left in it so don't expect another replacment for at least another 10-15 years.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

I am constantly amused when people say that the A380 is French.

Would you care to remind us of the national brakdown of the B787?.

David


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 12):
I am constantly amused when people say that the A380 is French.

Isn't France going to take over more of the A380 work from Germany? I think the events of the last few months have pulled the wool from most peoples eyes and revealed that the French have more control over Airbus and have been using it to acquire technological expertise at the expense of their European partners. Germany appears to have just realized this reality despite the supposed parity in ownership. BAe seems to have realized that they had little influence at Airbus and got out of it. And Spain has had the smallest stake all along.



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User currently offlineA320ajm From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

How about a Piper PA-38 Tomahawk?  cheeky 
The missle defence system would be heavier than the actual aircraft!!



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User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

now that we are talking about Air Force One... can someone be so kind to actually state the unique features of it... such as a bullet resistant airframe, nuclear resistant airframe, etc etc? Who would be the ones responsible for the actual design and development of Air Force One and at that... how the hell do they know it can withstand a nuclear pulse lol? any rumors would also be cool to discuss. Smile

User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5605 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 12):
I am constantly amused when people say that the A380 is French.

Would you care to remind us of the national brakdown of the B787?.

Final assembly is here in the USA. Final assembly of the A380 is in France. That is why people say that it is French.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3321 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 16):
Final assembly of the A380 is in France. That is why people say that it is French.

Well and the French more or less run the show at Airbus apparently so... there is that too.


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