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Foreign Air Bases In The USA  
User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19270 times:

Hi guys...

just was wondering,

how many foreign countries have air bases in the USA ??
Also, the same question goes to how many countries does the US have air bases in ??

Joe

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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 19270 times:

For the Luftwaffe:

Holloman AFB/ NM: Fliegerisches Ausbildungszentrum der Luftwaffe with 25 Tornado



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User currently offlineLurch From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 19210 times:

The RAF is at Nellis and a few other Places with Tornados Typhoons and Lots of Transport Flights with VC-10s and Tristars!

User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19176 times:

I dont think any foreign air force has a base in the US in the same sense that we do in the rest of the world. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I am guessing the above mentioned units are primarily training ones. I dont know about the RAF @ Nellis, but I've always been under the impression that the Luftwaffe at Holloman was there to have the USAF train their F-4 pilots (or at least thats why it was created).


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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19181 times:

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 3):

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Correct. There are no foreign bases in the US. There are US bases that have foreign squadrons on station. The Germans at Holloman I think are the biggest example of such. I'm not sure if the Brits have anything comparable. Here at NAS Pensacola we have the 2nd German Air Force Squadron for example. The Germans also have some guys at Sheppard, AFB. I've also seen Canadians and Italians going through pilot training at Vance Air Force Base.

One caviot could be NORAD considering it is a joint US/Canadian operation.


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19152 times:

So is this because the US dont allow foreigners on their soil as such..
I mean... for instance... and this is purely hypothetical.. what would the US say if Russia or Japan wanted to have a base on US soil (inc Alaska, Hawaii and Guam... not including Iraq...haha Just joking)
Ok maybe those 2 examples are a bit extreme considering the past history the US has with those 2 nations, but what about Spain for instance or Australia ?

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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19127 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 5):
So is this because the US dont allow foreigners on their soil as such..

I dont think any other country on the globe actually NEEDS to have bases overseas the way we do. We are the world-power and as such have interests and assets all over the world that we need to protect. These are often in countries that aren't capable of protecting them or protecting them as well as we would like. Other countries don't need to fear that in the U.S. Hopefully that makes sense, I'm even having trouble trying to put it into words, haha. And of course, this is just my opinion and I welcome any corrections or confirmations.



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User currently offlineN911ME From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19114 times:

Are the RAF squadrons actually based at Nellis, or are they just on TDY for Red Flags? And, does the second Luftwaffe squadron at Pensacola actually have German aircraft based there, or is it just personnel for training?

I know out at Phoenix, the USAF/AZ ANG trains foreign F-16 pilots - Singapore and someone else I believe. Very cool to see everyone helping out one another.


User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19102 times:

Quoting N911ME (Reply 7):
Luftwaffe squadron at Pensacola actually have German aircraft based there, or is it just personnel for training?

Personnel for training. I have a Luftwaffe 1st Lt, in my API class. All German navigators go here, NAS Pensacola, for training.

I forgot to mention that the German's have a squadron in D.C. I think it is either at Dulles or Andrews AFB, I'm not sure. They fly the C-160.


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19087 times:

There are alot of foreign students and instructor pilots at Sheppard AFB TX, they do primary flight training for much of NATO in T-38's and T-37's. Don't know if NATO is going to buy in with the new T-6. When I talk with the German Instructor pilots thay have been in Texas so long they don't have an accent any more and you can almost here that Texas twang Y'all come out of their mouths.


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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4006 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19055 times:

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):

Some other nations do have military bases in foreign countries - France has Mirages in Djibouti, for example - but not in the USA. You have summed up well why that is I think. Russia or China might like to have an airfield on US soil, but they know that since their interests are a little different, the US will say no.

The Netherlands AF used to have some of its F-16s in Tucson for training, but they were painted in US markings. Like Germany, Singapore also has some aircraft in the US for training I think, but that doesn't make their bases foreign.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18827 times:

The Luftwaffe also has a station at Dulles Airport outside Washington DC, I remember in the '80s seeing Luftwaffe aircraft lined up on the ramp.

I think NATO, Australian or Japanese Air Forces operating a base in the US is a great idea. Especially in light of the recent BRAC closures, there are some great facilities in the US that have been lost due to BRAC over the last 20 years. For the local community and to keep these airfields active military facilities in case they are needed at a later date is worth the investment.

One of the latest victims of BRAC is Brunswick NAS Maine, right now it's a Navy P-3 base. In the next few years it will close, the RAF, Royal Navy and other NATO Air Forces could set up a Joint base at Brunswick NAS, it's a good location adjacent to the North Atlantic and about half way between Europe and the Caribbean, Latin America and Nellis AFB.

Some other Air fields that could benefit from a NATO or other Allied presence..

Cecil Field Jacksonville Florida.
Barbers Point, Hawaii
George AFB California
Mather AFB California
Williams Airport, Arizona
McClellan AFB, California



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18811 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 5):
Ok maybe those 2 examples are a bit extreme considering the past history the US has with those 2 nations, but what about Spain for instance or Australia ?

So are they going to assist us in our defense against Mexico and Canada?  Wink

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
I think NATO, Australian or Japanese Air Forces operating a base in the US is a great idea.

Why would they want to spend the money and position enough assets here to have a base? What neighbor of the US presents a credible threat to them?



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18699 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 12):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 5):
Ok maybe those 2 examples are a bit extreme considering the past history the US has with those 2 nations, but what about Spain for instance or Australia ?

So are they going to assist us in our defense against Mexico and Canada?

hahahaha...maybe !!... you ever see the film Canadian Bacon !? hahaha..

I personally think that the US does not want any foreign military presence on its territory in the unlikely but possible event of a further world war..
I know that sounds daft... but if you think of it... the US are very protective and very strong... should the scary event happen where its enemies are closer to home ... OR ... are enemies that were traditional allies.. then having foreign air bases on its territoy could leave them vulnerable .??
ok... if that made any sense then great... but I do hope you get my jist !! hahaha

Joe

By the way any idea if anyone knows who has airbases in England ? I know the Canadians do... I think... or they have a training camp in wales (Brecon, I think) and of course the US.


User currently onlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18674 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 8):
I forgot to mention that the German's have a squadron in D.C. I think it is either at Dulles or Andrews AFB

The Luftwaffe have a small presence at IAD- if you look closely at the signs as you get to IAD on the Dulles Toll Road, there is a single line on one of them that says 'German Installation' or something similar, and there usually is at least one Transall parked over by the Signature Ramp.



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User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18588 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
One of the latest victims of BRAC is Brunswick NAS Maine, right now it's a Navy P-3 base. In the next few years it will close, the RAF, Royal Navy and other NATO Air Forces could set up a Joint base at Brunswick NAS, it's a good location adjacent to the North Atlantic and about half way between Europe and the Caribbean, Latin America and Nellis AFB.

When I was worked at NHZ ATCT/TRACON we routinely had RAF Nimrods, Canadian P3's, Dutch P3's and Norwegian P3's. In fact, the ASWOC (Anti Submarine Warfare Operations Center) flew the NATO flag. It is a shame Brunswick is closing. They recently upgraded base housing. Built new hangers to accommodate the Boeing 737; which is replacing the P3. And, built a new Tower/TRACON equipped with the latest ATC equipment. It was a wonderful place to be stationed and I have many fond memories.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18570 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
Some other Air fields that could benefit from a NATO or other Allied presence..

George AFB California

George AFB was closed about 14 years ago.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18547 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 13):
I personally think that the US does not want any foreign military presence on its territory in the unlikely but possible event of a further world war..

The US has had a continuous large foreign military pressence on it's soil. TDY technically, but most of these units have been operting in the US for a very long time. If the US was afraid of foreign military pressence none of these units would be operating.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5746 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18532 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
Australian ..... Air Forces operating a base in the US is a great idea.

Hell, we don't even have enough equipment or people for the bases we have here.. and are doing our own form of BRAC.

Hey, here is an idea, maybe the US would agree to sell Raptors to the RAAF if we promised not to take them out of the country!!!

Better keep that quiet.. the fighter jocks currently running the RAAF would likely go for that idea!!!

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User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 18398 times:

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 3):
I dont know about the RAF @ Nellis, but I've always been under the impression that the Luftwaffe at Holloman was there to have the USAF train their F-4 pilots (or at least thats why it was created).

I believe they use the White Sands Missile Range as a desert warfare training environment now. All the F-4's are gone from Holloman now...except the QF-4's.


User currently offlineGunships From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 574 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 18387 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
George AFB was closed about 14 years ago.

Mather and McClellan have also been closed for several years (as AFB's).


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 18385 times:

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 15):
They recently upgraded base housing. Built new hangers to accommodate the Boeing 737; which is replacing the P3. And, built a new Tower/TRACON equipped with the latest ATC equipment. It was a wonderful place to be stationed and I have many fond memories

To me it makes more sense to base anti-Submarine and surface ship aircraft in Maine rather than Jacksonville Florida, Maine is closer to the North Atlantic shipping routes and it's also closer to Europe, the Mediterranean, Gulf etc.. Same with the West Coast, it makes more sense to base Patrol aircraft at Whidbey Island rather than down at North Island.

Politics said close Maine and keep Jacksonville open.

It's shame, after Brunswick NAS closes that leaves only one active Duty Air field (of any service) in the Northeastern US. McGuire AFB New Jersey. The Northeast has been hit hard by BRAC, the largest Military bases in the Northeast are now New London/Groton Naval Base, McGuire Air Force Base, Fort Drum.

I'm really glad they were able to save New London/Groton from the '05 BRAC, the Patrol squadrons might be leaving but at least the Attack Submarine Squadrons will still be in the Northeast adjacent to the North Atlantic Shipping channels. They wanted to move the Subs to Georgia, which makes as much sense as moving the Patrol Squadrons to Florida.

They must really be worried about the Bahamas Military.



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User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 18380 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
They must really be worried about the Bahamas Military.

I think we do need to worry about the Chinese military. It is no secret they desire a blue water navy and when that happens the North Atlantic will not be as "open" as it currently is.



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 18131 times:

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 22):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
They must really be worried about the Bahamas Military.

I think we do need to worry about the Chinese military. It is no secret they desire a blue water navy and when that happens the North Atlantic will not be as "open" as it currently is.

Whats a Blue water navy ?
I thought the Chinese had a navy ?... and why would we see the chinese in the north atlantic ??
I guess... they could go right under the pole cap and find there way into the north atlantic that way ... but why ?

Joe


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18102 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 23):
I thought the Chinese had a navy ?... and why would we see the chinese in the north atlantic ??
I guess... they could go right under the pole cap and find there way into the north atlantic that way ... but why ?

From Casablanca.

Bogey: I came here for the waters.
Louie: But Casablanca is in the middle of a desert.
Bogey: I was misinformed.


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25 PADSpot : It's a logistical base. There are some people permanently stationed there, but usually no airplanes ... It serves as distribution center for shipment
26 CannibalZ3 : I hear rumours of a Dutch F-16 base on some airfield out in the middle of nowhere, Ohio. Can anyone confirm this?
27 Jwenting : There are German Tornadoes in German markings stationed there (or at least there were, they may have been removed). The Germans contracted the USAF t
28 KevinSmith : I think they have been removed. I reported In June of 06 and haven't seen them.
29 Blackbird1331 : We meddle in other nations affairs, that is why we are there. We do not allow other nations to come on our soil and meddle in our affairs, if they do,
30 Tancrede : That is a perfect summary of the definition of imperialism. Because of that kind of opinion, I still applause De Gaulle's decision in 1966 to through
31 PADSpot : Even though I sympathize with his decision, one must admit that de Gaulle did that after France became a nuclear power itself and didn't strategicall
32 Tancrede : I don't know how sarcastic you are in your comments, but I will say that you are entirely right. That is correct that France waited until it had the
33 FlyUSCG : You just as willing to "throw away" all those Americans buried at Normandy too?
34 Post contains images PADSpot : Lol .... Opportunism??? Great Comment. Who is sarcastic here?
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