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Flare From A NJ ANG F-16 Starts Forest Fire  
User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5307734

The New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs confirms for Eyewitness News that the forest fire now burning out of control was likely caused by a flare dropped from one of two F-16 fighters, that were participating in a bomb-dropping training exercise over the Warren Grove Bombing Range.
The aircraft are based are part of the 177th Fighter Wing, based at the Atlantic City International Airport in Egg Harbor Township.

Maybe the military should reconsider using flares over dry forest?


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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

Wow, and all those poppy fields in AFG and we can't drop a few flares over there?!

http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/images/flares.jpg


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

So what will happen?

Absolutely nothing. And rightfully so....precluding military training ops because of dry forest would be foolish. How the hell was that Viper jock supposed to know anyhow?

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7439 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
How the hell was that Viper jock supposed to know anyhow?

Knowledge pertinent to the operation of the aircraft?  rotfl 


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
Knowledge pertinent to the operation of the aircraft?

That there's dry brush underneath him...while focusing on keeping his plane from augering in and really torchin' it all.  Wink

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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7387 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
How the hell was that Viper jock supposed to know anyhow?

Ok,we supposed not to trow a cigarette o start a campfire but,hey lets drop some flares...right?  Confused



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

I assume the flares were dropped at low altitude?


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7615 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

Perhaps in future pre flight ought to include where you drop these things.

You would not drop bombs, even inert ones without thinking about what is it going to land on.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

Better idea, just cut down the forest. It is a military bombing range after all.

Or just don't make a fuss about it. A forest fire every now and then is actually a good thing.


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7290 times:

This is the second incident in 3 year with this bombing range.... In 2004, a fighter jet shot several rounds which hit the roof of a school not to far from there... of course, that was probably just bad aim.

Here's another link to the forest fire story.

http://www.comcast.net/news/national...05/16/664639.html&cvqh=itn_njblaze



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 8):
Or just don't make a fuss about it. A forest fire every now and then is actually a good thing.

As long it doesn't take homes and lives with it.....  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

I would not hold the pilots responsible. Flight operations should be aware of the environment these guys are flying in and include all pertinent information in the pre-flight briefing. The weather guys should be well aware of the conditions ,IMHO.

User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

What's amazing, is that brush fires or forest fires are rather common on military gunnery ranges, during the summer. No big deal - we handle them.

Anyway, it was a training exercise. The entire point was to depict an actual mission as closely as possible. If we're going to start putting more absurd restrictions on military training grounds, it just hurts us further down the road when we're in the sandbox.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 8):
Better idea, just cut down the forest. It is a military bombing range after all.

Agreed. But hey! Now we don't have to cut it down... just let it burn. After that, don't let it become overgrown.

-UH60


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7183 times:
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Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
precluding military training ops because of dry forest would be foolish.



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
Knowledge pertinent to the operation of the aircraft?

Range Management should have put out a NOTAM making flares Verboten!!. Pilot should have read NOTAM making flares Verboten!!.

One or both screwed up.

All the ranges in the fire danger areas here in the Southeast are presently NOTAMed for no-flares.

[Edited 2007-05-17 00:24:49]

[Edited 2007-05-17 00:25:30]


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User currently offlineStevenL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7041 times:

Why in training do fighter pilots drop flares before they drop a bomb / shoot a missle? I've seen several movies on youtube out there where they always drop a few. Is it to alert other pilots that he's shooting? Or just for looks?

Also

Quoting Nkops (Reply 9):
This is the second incident in 3 year with this bombing range.... In 2004, a fighter jet shot several rounds which hit the roof of a school not to far from there... of course, that was probably just bad aim.

got a link to that? I would love to read about it...


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Quoting StevenL (Reply 14):
Why in training do fighter pilots drop flares before they drop a bomb / shoot a missle?

Bombing runs put aircraft into the zone of vulnerability for MANPADS. If you aren't popping a flare, you are begging to catch a SA-7 up the pipe.


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7006 times:

Quoting StevenL (Reply 14):
got a link to that? I would love to read about it...

http://www.nbc10.com/news/3890831/detail.html

Here is one from the local Philly station... enjoy



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