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DOH! Pilot Violates Space Shuttle Airspace  
User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2444 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Hard way to learn about restricted airspace.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=9D...4&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&fg>1=9951


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User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

I love that video report! Who was the idiot she was talking too? Shoulder launched missiles...I don't think so! What an idiot.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

I wouldn't blame the pilot.

There are numerous stories of pilots wandering into unannouced TFR's that where't mentioned by the FSS during their briefings.

There is a reason to have to NASA forms on hand.



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User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

The beach is only a couple of miles from the pad. How close does he have to get before the stinger missles are launched.  rotfl 


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
I wouldn't blame the pilot.

There are numerous stories of pilots wandering into unannouced TFR's that where't mentioned by the FSS during their briefings.

Except that the airspace over KSC isn't a TFR - it's a continuously operating restricted area (at and below 5,000 - higher is not always active), and is marked as such on the charts.

I'm not saying that he did know better than to do that, but he should have.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

They mentioned they had the pilot "in custody"? So they actually arrested him? On what charges?


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User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting Jhooper (Reply 5):
They mentioned they had the pilot "in custody"? So they actually arrested him? On what charges?

Violating restricted airspace without authorization and probably a dozen more aviation laws.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Except that the airspace over KSC isn't a TFR - it's a continuously operating restricted area (at and below 5,000 - higher is not always active), and is marked as such on the charts.

Some of it is, Some of it is Temp airspace that is only activated for launches or military activities out of Patrick AFB.

It really is a pretty complicated piece of sky.



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User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Either way you look at it...he screwed up....I'm sure it wasn't on purpose...the reporter doesn't know anything about KSC security and there was no harm done. IF he's allowed to continue flying, he'll be a better pilot for it.

-Check


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 3056 times:

Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 6):
Violating restricted airspace without authorization and probably a dozen more aviation laws.

Violating restricted airspace is certainly a violation of FAA regulations (not necessarily a crime), but the FAA doesn't have the power to arrest you, only to suspend or revoke an airman certificate. And last time I checked, only the FAA (not the local police or states) have the power to enforce "aviation laws" (regulations). So I ask again, was the guy actually arrested by the cops, and what is the crime here? By all means, take away his ticket but since when can you actually go to jail for accidently violating airspace?



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User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

He was not arrested. He was detained by the authorities for questioning why he violated the airspace. Basically the government doesn't let you go on your merry way when you do something like this. They will bring you down and detain you until you are cleared by the FBI that you are not a terrorist or something of the sort.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...ry?coll=orl-news-headlines-volusia


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Quoting Jhooper (Reply 10):
By all means, take away his ticket but since when can you actually go to jail for accidently violating airspace?

I believe that the police can arrest people for endangerment in situations like this. It is not only a FAA rule but also a public law. I also wouldn't be suprised if there isn't some DHD rule now too.

I used to work with a guy that buzzed his high school in a 172 after 9/11. He was arrested by the police as soon as they caught up with him. He ended up doing some jail time and it had very little to do with the FAA.

[Edited 2007-05-30 08:49:01]

User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

I am trying to remember all of the airspace restrictions around KSC post 9/11, and I seem to remember that when a shuttle is on the pad, or in transit to the pad, the whole area becomes a no fly zone, from SR528 on north, and the west shore of the Indian River to the Atlantic. Prior to 9/11, one could request a "Shuttle Tour" from ATC, and they would line you up from a low altitude pass (500') down the left side of the Shuttle Landing Facility. It was a fun thing to do, and I think they no longer do those due to security.

As for air defense, they do have SAMs at KSC, in the form of stingers and patriots ) at least they did until 2003. I can remember working at the Visitor's Center (I worked at the Apollo/Saturn V Center as a tour guide), and watching F-15s and F-16s flying CAP over the shuttle while they rolled it out for the first mission post 9/11. When I left KSC in the fall of 2002, the Patriot batteries were still in place. So I would imagine that the place is very secure, and if a plane got too close to the shuttle, they would not hesitate to take it down if all other options fail.

Kris



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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Quoting KBFIspotter (Reply 13):
. So I would imagine that the place is very secure, and if a plane got too close to the shuttle, they would not hesitate to take it down if all other options fail.

Given that a guy can fly a Cessna into the Whitehouse or fly a stolen chopper over the Whitehouse and hover there for 6 minutes http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/ustreas/usss/t1pubrpt.html , I have my doubts about NASA's resolve in such an event. I'm sure they would hesitate (wouldn't you?); I just wonder if they'd actually use their capabilities.


User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting KBFIspotter (Reply 13):
As for air defense, they do have SAMs at KSC, in the form of stingers and patriots ) at least they did until 2003. I can remember working at the Visitor's Center (I worked at the Apollo/Saturn V Center as a tour guide), and watching F-15s and F-16s flying CAP over the shuttle while they rolled it out for the first mission post 9/11. When I left KSC in the fall of 2002, the Patriot batteries were still in place.

I don't think so.


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