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A330 Line 871 - For Usaf?!  
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Greetings all,

I received info a while ago (for my www.aircraft-deliveries.com website) from an Airbus source that A330 serial 871 is allocated to the USAF. Now I don't follow military transport threads and/or news as it/they don't interest me and therefore thought nothing of it, but I've since been informed by one person that this is "impossible", while others have said "is this really true, because it's big news if so?".

Can anyone confirm that the USAF do have an A330 on order please?

R

[Edited 2007-06-07 21:41:34]

[Edited 2007-06-07 21:42:26]

[Edited 2007-06-07 21:42:48]

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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

To the best of my knowledge, the USAF has not ordered any frames from either NG/EADS nor Boeing.


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4832 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

More likely for the UK MoD.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...try-confirms-a330-tanker-deal.html

Quote:
"The UK Ministry of Defence has finally given the green light to a private finance initiative deal worth about £13 billion ($26 billion) to equip the UK Royal Air Force with a new fleet of 14 Airbus A330-200-based tanker-transports from 2011 - two years later than originally planned."



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3831 times:
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I'd suggest the Airbus may have been building a demonstrator or prototype on speculation. Boeing I believe did the same on the lease deal and now has a half finished KC-767 in storage at PAE.


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User currently offlineNBGSKyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
I'd suggest the Airbus may have been building a demonstrator or prototype on speculation. Boeing I believe did the same on the lease deal and now has a half finished KC-767 in storage at PAE.

I would have to agree with this, it is a possible DEMO aircraft to show the USAF the capabilities of the aircraft, we will see if it is equipped with a refueling boom rather than just the "probe and drogue" system.



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
now has a half finished KC-767 in storage at PAE

True, but the new USAF tanker will be based on an "advanced derivative of the future 767-200 Long Range Freighter", therefore that existing prototype will be either highly modified (doubtful) or not used at all (more likely).

IIRC, NG/EADS will base their USAF offering on the A330F which has not been built yet. As was stated above, it's more likely a frame built for the UK MoD.



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Seems it is true after all! With due credit to Rik Anderson for pointing out the link to me :

http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=121502

R


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2993 times:
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Quoting RobK (Reply 6):
Seems it is true after all! With due credit to Rik Anderson for pointing out the link to me

Wow!! Somebody took on a fair bit of risk. I wonder what the plan is for aircraft should Northrup Grumman not get the contract? Is somebody else in the market for a boom type tanker?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2983 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 7):
Is somebody else in the market for a boom type tanker?

The RAAF is. The first RAAF A330 tanker is already flight testing in Getafe. These tankers are due to enter service in 2009, so if NG/Airbus don't win the USAF contract, they could still sell those aircraft to the RAAF.

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

I really hope USAF give green light for military A332, more suitable than 762/3 *to small* or 772 * to big*

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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

It is for the US KC-30 programme. http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=121502

It will not be delivered as a tanker though (which the article implies). It will be delivered for tanker conversion.


User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 9):
I really hope USAF give green light for military A332, more suitable than 762/3 *to small* or 772 * to big*

Doubtful for the following reasons:

1. It will not be able to operate from a number of airfields due to their length. The A332 requiring longer runways.

2. The 762 is not too small but just the right size for the USAF's requirements as regards available ramp space in most US bases and is able to take-off from the airfields refered to in item 1 above.

3. Jobs. Boeing will generate employment for 40,000 plus in the US alone whilst the A332 will only generate some 12,000 jobs.

4. The USAF's specification requirements are fully met by the 762 whilst the A332 offers a number extras but at a price.



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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 11):
3. Jobs. Boeing will generate employment for 40,000 plus in the US alone whilst the A332 will only generate some 12,000 jobs.

Here's another view on the amount of jobs it will create plus a few more facts on the 'suitability' of the 767 http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003531.html


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The brass at ACC will never let themselves be at the behest of the French and German goverments for hardware. It's just not going to happen folks, period.


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