Must have something to do with ex Pres. Bill Clinton here speaking at the Grand Rapids Economics Club adding to his $10 million in earnings from giving speeches....
Does he, and every ex-POTUS, reimburse the government and taxpayers for their executive transportation on military G-V's and other military aircraft flying them to their profitable speaking engagements? Sure hope so......
[Edited 2007-06-18 19:57:56]
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11370 posts, RR: 88 Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4651 times:
President Clinton is most assuredly not travelling on US government aircraft unless at the direct request of President Bush.
I'd bet there's another reason for that C-37 to be there....and it is listed on Anet as being a USAF aircraft. Perhaps it is carrying the Army COS or something.
Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2179 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4647 times:
Yeah, interesting that 97-1944 is listed as a USAF bird, but the call-sign was definitely "Army one-niner-four-four."
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2987 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4620 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 1): President Clinton is most assuredly not travelling on US government aircraft unless at the direct request of President Bush.
Quoting DL021 (Reply 1): I'd bet there's another reason for that C-37 to be there....and it is listed on Anet as being a USAF aircraft. Perhaps it is carrying the Army COS or something.
The Army has their own VIP Gulfstreams in the 89ths paint scheme, has had them that way for years. A.net database is wrong.
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Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2179 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4593 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 1): President Clinton is most assuredly not travelling on US government aircraft unless at the direct request of President Bush.
Yep, here's Bill's ride today. Spoke in Minneapolis earlier today:
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11023 posts, RR: 53 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4532 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3): The Army has their own VIP Gulfstreams in the 89ths paint scheme, has had them that way for years. A.net database is wrong.
No, all thes airplanes (except those assigned to the USN/USMC) have been assigned to the USAF, this includes the C-20/C-37s originally assigned to the Army and the Coast Guard. When a US Army 4 star flys aboard, if there is no assogned call sign, will use an "Army-XXXX" (tail number) call sign.
ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2987 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4506 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5): No, all thes airplanes (except those assigned to the USN/USMC) have been assigned to the USAF, this includes the C-20/C-37s originally assigned to the Army and the Coast Guard. When a US Army 4 star flys aboard, if there is no assogned call sign, will use an "Army-XXXX" (tail number) call sign.
Sorry Top - I've worked the Army PAT jets and know the Army crews, CWO 3 & 4s mostly. They are based at Andrews and wear the same colors as the 89th but they fly with the Army "PAT" callsign, are operated by Army crews, and they don't swap or share jets with the 89th.
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ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2987 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4495 times:
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 7): I doubt Clinton has enough dough to own and operate a GIV.
For what he makes per speaking engagement ($100,000 I'm guessing) I bet he could swing a fractional deal.....
edit: $100,000 is on the low side... Check this.....
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4483 times:
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 7): I doubt Clinton has enough dough to own and operate a GIV. Its either a charter or someone flew him 91 on their own aircraft.
Clinton and his part time wife (the senator) filed a financial disclosure last week were they disclosed that they just sold between 5 and 25 million dollars worth of stocks. The senates rules are really loose when it comes to how much you have to disclose, that is the reason for the large gap in the low and high amounts. He can afford to operate GIV.
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4480 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 10): Clinton and his part time wife (the senator) filed a financial disclosure last week were they disclosed that they just sold between 5 and 25 million dollars worth of stocks. The senates rules are really loose when it comes to how much you have to disclose, that is the reason for the large gap in the low and high amounts. He can afford to operate GIV.
Maybe for a year. He would barely be able to buy one and the operating expenses would be too much for him. He isn't Oprah.
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 11): Maybe for a year. He would barely be able to buy one and the operating expenses would be too much for him. He isn't Oprah.
$40 Million in 6 years, I'd say he could afford to operate a G-IV:
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4395 times:
Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 12): $40 Million in 6 years, I'd say he could afford to operate a G-IV:
You could be right and I don't know what you do.
I do work with G-IV owners, however, and I don't know of any as "poor" as the Clintons.
I've seen people who are very wealthy purchase Gulfstreams only to sell them a year later for a smaller aircraft because they didn't understand the costs involved.
They may have made $40 million but don't forget that transportation costs for this bracket of people is only a small percentage of the budget. The Clintons also have many properties. I believe they just purchased a property in Central America for millions last month. Take into consideration the multiple million dollar homes that they have purchased and have to maintain. With all of their expenses do you think that they would seriously purchase and operate a Gulfstream for 50% or more of their budget and worth?
Of course not. They would rather invest the money and live a good life. There is "house poor" and there is "plane poor".
Again, I don't know if they have purchased one or not, but in my experience and with pragmatic thinking I do not believe that they would purchase one. They could, but it would be idiotic to spend that much of a budget on transportation.
It is the equivalent of someone making $100,000 a year purchasing a Ferrari Enzo. It can be done but it would be stupid.
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