Scottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 12 Posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2699 times:
This plane has been at SAT for months, and I can't ID it. I know it's owned by Omega Tanker, but there's no reg. It has three refueling baskets, 2 pods on the wings and one by the tail. Any help with ID-ing this plane would be greatly appreciated.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2687 times:
Well, I did my best trying to help you here, Scottie. I went to the FAA registry database, and found that Omega Air has registered 16 707s! Most are the -320C model, which I believe is what this aircraft is. So unless we have some sort of markings on this bird, I'm afraid I'm not of much help here. Good luck on your ID search.
Regards.
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
Venus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1410 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
I wonder if it is an old Italian KC-137, I hear there fleet was in good shape with low hours.
RomeoKC10FE From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 2): I wonder if it is an old Italian KC-137, I hear there fleet was in good shape with low hours
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2542 times:
Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1): I went to the FAA registry database, and found that Omega Air has registered 16 707s! Most are the -320C model, which I believe is what this aircraft is
I don't think it is a comdi. It is a B-707-320B
Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 2): I wonder if it is an old Italian KC-137, I hear there fleet was in good shape with low hours.
I believe you are right, she does look like an Ex-ItAF KC-137. Notice she has all UHF antennas, and no VHF antennas. If she was an ex South American tanker, she would have all VHF radio antennas.
Uscgc130 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2493 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5): don't think it is a comdi. It is a B-707-320B
Note the gaps between the windows forward of the wing -- right where the cargo door is located on a -320C.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5): Notice she has all UHF antennas, and no VHF antennas
How do you tell? Most 707s have swept-back blade-type antennas and these are straight. Is that a distinguishing characteristic of UHF antennas? (I always figured the ones on the civilian 707s were shaped and angled the way they were for aesthetic reasons.)
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 2481 times:
Quoting Uscgc130 (Reply 6): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
don't think it is a comdi. It is a B-707-320B
Note the gaps between the windows forward of the wing -- right where the cargo door is located on a -320C.
It may be my eyes, but I don't see the gaps.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Notice she has all UHF antennas, and no VHF antennas
How do you tell? Most 707s have swept-back blade-type antennas and these are straight. Is that a distinguishing characteristic of UHF antennas? (I always figured the ones on the civilian 707s were shaped and angled the way they were for aesthetic reasons.)
Yes, the UHF antennas are straight, and VHF are swept back.
USCGC130 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2413 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7): It may be my eyes, but I don't see the gaps.
Note the blank spaces between the second and third and the tenth and eleventh windows back.
Granted, civilian -320Cs don't have spaces between their windows in that area that are any wider than those on any other 707s. But these fall right where the cargo door's cut lines would be on a -320C...even if the cut lines on this particular aircraft are all but impossible to see. Could that be the result of the lighting, the angle, and/or the shade of the paint?
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7): Yes, the UHF antennas are straight, and VHF are swept back.
Why? Honest question. Is there a functional reason, or is it a matter of the military not caring about aesthetics like the airlines do?
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 2376 times:
Quoting USCGC130 (Reply 8): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Yes, the UHF antennas are straight, and VHF are swept back.
Why? Honest question. Is there a functional reason, or is it a matter of the military not caring about aesthetics like the airlines do?
T^he antenna style has to do with the radio signal wave lenght. I'm not an expert on this by any means, but the VHF (110.0-137.775 MHz) wave lenght is either longer or shorter than that of military UHF (225.0-395.5 MHz) frequency wave lenghts. It is interesting to note that UHF "Guard" (243.0 MHz) is exactly twice that of VHF "Guard" (121.5 MHz). I don't know if there is a relationship there, or not.
So, the antenna style has nothing to do with aesthetics.
US Military aircraft that carry both UHF and VHF radios, or have a combo VHF/UHF radio (ARC-174?) carry both types of antennas.
Scottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Well thanks for your help guys.. I had no idea Omega had 16 707s! I looked through the full-size picture, and the only markings I saw was a small "B 707" below the tail. I guess I'll just upload it without a reg..
Venus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1410 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
Quoting RomeoKC10FE (Reply 3): Uhhhhh....I've read just the oppsite, don't know.
talked to a NATO 707 guy from Geilenkirchen yesterday and he told me that the ITalians 707's are in Bad shape, NATO 707 trainer visited us at TIK yesterday, they LX 20000 which is an old Luftwaffe bird with low hours.
Starstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11): NATO 707 trainer visited us at TIK yesterday
Is it still here in Oklahoma City? I'd LOVE to hear that thing take off!!
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2194 times:
If this is N707FR, then it was known as MM62148 with the Italian Air Force. Boeing serial #19740, line #676, delivered to TAP Air Portugal as 707-382B, in 1968. The pictured 707 Scottieprecord provided is very similiar to the aircraft pictured in the JetPhotos database...both pics show a bare-metaled finish 707 with the same patchworks.
Looks like Pride came thru for you, Mike.
Regards.
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
Venus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1410 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2185 times:
Quoting Starstream707 (Reply 12): Is it still here in Oklahoma City? I'd LOVE to hear that thing take off!!
Scottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2170 times:
Quoting Pride (Reply 13): Definately Ex Italian Air Force. Most likely s/n MM62150. This one is sold to Omega Air as
N707FR.
This is definitely the same plane (same exact markings and everything). The only problem.. I look up N707FR, and the FAA gives a different serial number Does Omega have any 707-3F5Cs?
Scottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2166 times:
Whoa... just kidding. There are some incorrect entries in both Anet and JPnet.
This shows MM62150 as c/n 19740, which is what the FAA has as N707FR, which makes sense. All the other entries, I guess, are incorrect... I knew something was up there. haha
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Does Omega have any 707-3F5Cs?
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