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The Greatest Combat Aircraft Ever Built  
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1747 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5830 times:

Make a list of the airplanes which, in your opinion, are the greatest combat airplanes ever made.

Mine is as follows

1. Sopwith Camel: Shot down more aircraft than any other during WW1.

2. Fairey Swordfish : Great torpedo bomber, contributed to the sinking of the Bismark.

3. Avro Lancaster : Anyone who has read 'The Dam Busters ' will agree  Smile

4. Spitfire : Needs no explanation

5. P-51 Mustang ; Also probably, needs no explanation.

6. Consolidated B-24 Liberator: Made in larger numbers than any other WW2 bomber, and my fav WW2 bomber  Smile

7. B-17 Flying Fortress

8. B-29 Superfortress: World's first Nuclear Bomber.

9. Tupolev 95 Bear : Longest serving and most successful Bomber of the Soviet Union.

10. Boeing B-52.

12. F-16 Fighting Falcon.

13. SR-71 Blackbird : Not a combat airplane, strictly, but does belong in this list  Smile




So what's yours?


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User currently offlineOlle From Sweden, joined Feb 2007, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5785 times:

German:

Albatros D.III (Red Baron etc)

FockeWulf 190
Messersmitt 109
Messersmitt 262

Russian:

Mig 29

Brittish

Tempest


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

RE: After The Bombers-The 10 Greatest Fighters. (by Ferrypilot Apr 17 2007 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

RE: Your Favorite Military Fighter! (by BilgeRat May 3 2007 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1965 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

Personally I would have to say the FW190's, ME109's, Spitfires, P-51's and the Yak-9s have to be right up there. I do not believe you can compare modern day aircraft to these in terms of how much of an advancement they where for their time. Plus they are all much sexier then the new a/c like the F-22 and F-35 which IMO look horrid.


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User currently offlineWolverine From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5710 times:

WW2:
-FW-190
-Soitfire
-P-51 Mustang
-F4U Corsair
-P-38
-B-17

'til now:
- F-14 Tomcat
- MiG-21
- MiG-29



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User currently offlineWolverine From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

This one is also a great fighter:
-F4F Phantom



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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2519 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5672 times:
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There's too many to list, and this list can never be completely fair but here goes:

Spitfire
Bf-109
P-51
B-17
B-29
Mig-15
F-4
Mig-21
Mig-29
B-52
Tu-95
F-16

Just to name a few.


User currently offlineWolverine From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Should be Spitfire, not Soitfire...Sorry


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User currently offlineThumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

Way to many to list but...
P-51 Mustang
Spitfire
Me-109
P-47 Thunderbolt
MIG-15
F-86 Saberjet
MIG-21
F-4
F-14 Tomcat
F-15
MIG-29
A-10 Warthog


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 6):
There's too many to list, and this list can never be completely fair

I agree.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the?

Hurricane

AM6 Zero

P-40

B-25

Mosceto

F-105

Mig-17

Mig-21

There are many, many others that deserve to be mentioned.

My personal opinion:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
7. B-17 Flying Fortress


User currently offlineOlle From Sweden, joined Feb 2007, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

I like to add a swedish one:

J35 Draken who was top of the line and in service for a long period...


User currently offlineDeskflier From Sweden, joined Jan 2007, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

OK, here's my list, more or less chronologically:

Fokker D VII (The only plane ever to be specifically singled out in a peace treaty)
Bristol Fighter (Began life as a 2-seat fighter/trench-strafer, serviced until 1939 as a colonial aircraft)
Yakovlev Yak-3 (Gave poorly trained Soviet pilots a reasonable chance against German expert fighter pilots)
Douglas Dauntless (Sank more enemy shipping than any other weapon system in WW2)
Messerschmitt Me262 (Kept Luftwaffe flying in the face of petrol shortage as they ran on diesel)
SAAB 29 Tunnan (Flying Barrel) (Same generation and performance as F-86 and MiG-15, but with far better serviceability)
Lockheed AC-130H Spectre (No aircraft ever built has had more conventional firepower)
SAAB JA37 Viggen (Multi-role, and capable of head-on gun engagement with four years older software than the F-15C would require)
Sukhoi Su-35 (No explanation should be required)
Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor (You get what You pay for)

And as a bonus, the greatest combat aircraft that NEVER flew:
Saunders-Roe SR 177 (Only bribes could stop it from becoming the standard NATO interceptor)

Footnote to the comment to the Flying Barrel: In Congo the serviceability rate for the J29s was around 97% most months. Ethiopian F-86s also used by the UN had a serviceability rate of some 82%. Indian Canberras fared even worse.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Why, the F-16 Viper, or course.  Wink

That's my heart talking but I know the F-22 is the more capable weapon.  Smile



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Quoting Deskflier (Reply 11):
And as a bonus, the greatest combat aircraft that NEVER flew:
Saunders-Roe SR 177 (Only bribes could stop it from becoming the standard NATO interceptor)

Or the best fighter that never entered service, the F-20?


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4773 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

For Fighters I would say:

WWII: P-51
KW: F-86/MiG15
VW: F-4
CW: F-14
21st century: F-22

You might say I favour American aircraft, I just think that they were the most developed, most effective, were produced in large numbers and maybe it was the pilots, but they sure won a lot more than they lost.



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User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

Without a doubt, the F-86 Sabre is one of the worlds most successful fighters ever. It's use over many years by many airforces the world over clearly qualifies it as one of the most universally accepted and successful fighters ever. I've spoken to many men who flew the Sabrejet and they all said it was either their favorite or one of their top 3 favorite aircraft they ever flew. I'm truly shocked it doesn't make everyones list.

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

For piston driven aircraft, I have to go with the F4U; for jets I give two big thumbs up to the F-105.

User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2675 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5221 times:
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Quoting Navion (Reply 15):
Without a doubt, the F-86 Sabre is one of the worlds most successful fighters ever.

If you are talking about the Canadair Mk 6 version, I agree with you.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2378 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
Or the best fighter that never entered service, the F-20?

Damned straight!!

Pound for pound, I'd have to say the P-51.



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
Quoting Deskflier (Reply 11):
And as a bonus, the greatest combat aircraft that NEVER flew:
Saunders-Roe SR 177 (Only bribes could stop it from becoming the standard NATO interceptor)

Or the best fighter that never entered service, the F-20?

Let's take a look at both fighters that never were. Couldn't find a photo of the SR.177, but the caption on one of the pics says that two prototypes were built which were based on the SR.53. Curious combination of jet engine and rocket for the propulsion system.

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Interesting too are the differences in aerodynamic lines two or three decades of design separation make.



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User currently offlineMechatnew From United States of America, joined May 2005, 100 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

What about AD/A-1 Skyraider lots of combat in Korea, Southeast Asia, Africa or A-4 Skyhawk Southeast Asia, Falklands, Mid East, and still in service.

User currently offlineMechatnew From United States of America, joined May 2005, 100 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

What about thye A-4 Skyhawk, lots of combat in Southeast Asia, Mid East, Falklands, and still in service.

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

My Grandfather flew P-38's in WW2 so I will choose that. He loved that a/c, one of the fastest of the time too.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5045 times:
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The Douglas DC-3.



the greatest combat aircraft period..... transport, gunship, reconnaissance, ambulance, paratroop dropper......been flying in regular service for close to 70 years. Hell, the USAF uses one.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5599 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

The Greatest Combat Aircraft Ever Built: Spitfire

25 Thumper : Did everyone forget about the B-52 ?
26 Post contains links Olle : Regarding the JA37 Viggen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=431BxPYZDrk&mode=related&search= In the start you see the road aibases. A way to incease the
27 CO787EWR : No particular order Harrier P-51 Spitfire Mosquito Tu-95 B-52 B-1B F-15 F-16 F-4 Mig-29 Su-30MKI
28 RTFM : But if you could only have one aircraft.... Then: Mosquito - could (and did) serve as day & night fighter, bomber, pathfinder, recce, transport (and p
29 Deskflier : No, it's just not multi-role enough. And most B-52 fans voted for it on the "best Bomber ever"-thread.
30 Post contains links StealthZ : Might have looked like this..... http://www.spaceuk.org/sr53/177/sr177.htm Hardly two or three decades.... The F-20 is only a refinement of the F-5 (
31 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : The Tigershark first flew in August 1982. Although a descendant of the F-5, the avionics, radar and other systems were a whole generation or two late
32 Post contains links and images ZBBYLW : With all due respect, some of you are saying this and that aircraft are the best aircraft that never really took off. How about the Avro Arrow the air
33 StealthZ : Ah but with all due respect your original post called attention to the difference two or three decades made to the Aerodynamic lines not the systems.
34 AirSpare : Of course it was! How many times was it shot at? Sounds like combat to me. Recon may be a red headed bastard step child (right before the USAF CAS mi
35 Post contains images DEVILFISH : Oh, sorry for that and the F prefix for the J85. My bad - I got carried away. The base SR.53 indeed had its origins in 1951. And I will have the same
36 SlamClick : Okay, mixed signals here. The thread title says "aircraft" but the o/p says "airplane" which excludes helicopters, airships and balloons. Going with t
37 RayChuang : I'm surprised nobody mentioned the de Havilland DH. 98 Mosquito. Not only was it a very fast bomber (very few fighters could keep up with it during it
38 Post contains images AirSpare : As a recon platform it also exceled. The Mistubishi Zero stood the States on it's ear. It was the true begining of the era of modern fighters. It's p
39 Blackbird : I'd say the F-15. Here's why... it combines blistering speed with remarkable low-speed and high-speed maneuverability, a superb thrust to weight ratio
40 Arrow : Not to diminish the attributes of this aircraft, but I think that's a little overblown. Fighter development in Europe (eg ME-109, Spitfire) shifted t
41 SlamClick : With, perhaps, the two exceptions below, I don't believe any airplane design in WW II actually shifted any paradigms. They were all merely incrementa
42 Fairchild24 : The greatest combat aircraft is the one who get the job done and bring the crew back. There has been numbers of aircraft around who probable would mad
43 Post contains images RTFM : Errr.... I did....: Still, nice to see I'm not alone!
44 Arrow : Technically, I see your point. But what about the 30s (I think) conversion from wood and fabric strut and string braced biplanes to aluminum monoplan
45 Baroque : Not to mention having a version armed with a 57mm cannon. Quite an unpleasant surprise for the U-boats. The Neverhawks (as the rather late P40s were
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