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Space Shuttle Atlantis Leaves CA Atop Jumbo Jet  
User currently offlineCartenz From Indonesia, joined May 2007, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

Has anyone seen a space shuttle mounted on the back of a 747? That would be quite a sight. Finally, the space shuttle Atlantis is on its way back to its launch site at Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070701/...;_ylt=AsrVUibJsZmryBoGv0iqt.jMWM0F

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

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They have been doing it this way for 30 years. I just keep wondering why every time they move the Shuttle this way it gets treated like the first time ever here on A.net. There is no less the 5 or 6 threads running right now asking the same questions that get asked every time they do this. I remember back in 1977 when they did this for the first time and it didn't get this much coverage as it does 30 years later and a hundred plus times later....

[Edited 2007-07-01 16:45:57]


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5042 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
I just keep wondering why every time they move the Shuttle this way it gets treated like the first time ever here on A.net.

You say this on a.net? Where every airline divert is news... Where there are literally hundreds of thousands of airliner takeoff and landing photos....

Shuttle moves by 747 are extremely rare by comparison.....



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):

You say this on a.net? Where every airline divert is news..

Yea true... I know of dozens of diverts and emergency landings that never made A.net. Still don't get it though. If this was 1977 or 1978 I would.



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User currently offlineRHAnthony From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

I also think it has something to do with the fact that it may have been the last time ever for this to happen. I personally feel somehow it was not, but we'll see how that pans out in the next few months.

Also, you have alot of people that know very little about the entire scope of Shuttle's program and launch/landing options. It's not like everyone has been paying attention since the 70's  Smile or remembers that time clearly. You have alot of folks that are just now taking interest, or old enough to soak it all in, and the SCA ferry's aren't really that often. Most of the time it's up from KSC, down to KSC, barely even makes the news channels.

I work at JPL. Just a few hours south of Edwards, mainly because it's just slow going through the mountains. We're right next door practically, and a NASA complex. People HERE in my building were in shock that a 747 ride was possible, and simply could not comprehend that we've done it this way since the first flights.

Personally for me it's a big deal because Shuttle is the space program I grew up with, not the previous projects. Thats MY kid time fantasy of space flight on that 747. And, I'm a huge lover of the 747 itself, and all of the specialized versions out there from AF1 to our new SOFIA telescope. So, that bundle together, well... *wipes a tear*... it's just beautiful! hehe


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5028 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
I know of dozens of diverts and emergency landings that never made A.net

Only because the resident rivet counters never got the word...  Smile

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Still don't get it though. If this was 1977 or 1978 I would.

Rare thing to see one aerospace vehicle atop another. I've only had a chance to see the SCA/Shuttle fly once (1983). If it were landing somewhere reasonably close to me I'd go see it again.....

The thing I don't get is how is it that Gordo Fullerton (one of the astronauts that flew Enterprise off the back of the 747 in 1977) is flying the SCA today... He must be pushing 70.... Experienced hand at the wheel is nice but geez... Maybe they want to keep him around until shuttle wraps up in 2010 and avoid training another SCA guy...



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User currently offlineRHAnthony From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

I'm sure he's got a younger capable crew there just incase, and maybe a personal bottle of O2 laying around, but knowledge and experience go a LONG way when dealing with the most expensive hardware ever.

Must be a wonderful thing to put on your resume though, flying both of those during your career. Carrying home what you helped develop decades ago... I'm sure that gives him a high like the younger guys may never experience in their careers!


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5017 times:
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Quoting RHAnthony (Reply 6):
I'm sure that gives him a high like the younger guys may never experience in their careers!

  

You can't buy or hire folks with Gordos experience... It's just amazing to me that he's still with the program....

edit: Gordo will be 71 in october...

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/fullerton-cg.html

[Edited 2007-07-01 17:38:53]


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User currently offlineEELonghorn From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Looks like the folks in Amarillo are going to get a show.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA905


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5001 times:
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Quoting RHAnthony (Reply 4):
I also think it has something to do with the fact that it may have been the last time ever for this to happen. I personally feel somehow it was not, but we'll see how that pans out in the next few months.

The last time this will happen is when the orbiters leave KSC when the program shuts down.... They'll no doubt use the SCA to deliver the orbiters to their respective museums.

Speaking of which... Has anyone heard any chatter about who will get them? NASM I figure is at the top of the list.... JSC & KSC I bet would like to have one but... I don't believe either has an indoor location... The orbiters will not do well outdoors, would be a shame to see them collecting bird sh*t....



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User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 9):
Speaking of which... Has anyone heard any chatter about who will get them? NASM I figure is at the top of the list.... JSC & KSC I bet would like to have one but... I don't believe either has an indoor location... The orbiters will not do well outdoors, would be a shame to see them collecting bird sh*t....

Most likely...

Discovery: Nat'l Air & Space Museum, Udvar-Hazy Center, Dulles Airport, Washington DC
Atlantis: Museum of the United States Air Force, Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton OH
Endeavour: Kennedy Space Center, Florida
Enterprise: Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards AFB, CA, perhaps permanent display on 747 NASA 905

The Air Force Museum is campaigning hard for Discovery, but with the bad blood over the program between NASA and the Air Force, I don't think they'll get NASA's endorsement and the Smithsonian will almost certainly want Discovery in Washington. The Air Force will get Atlantis.

Houston JSC does not seem to be in the running, given the despicable care they gave to their Saturn V and the extreme difficulty they'll have getting an Orbiter to JSC (a bridge now blocks the path the Saturn V took.)

Kennedy is the sure-thing on the list. They've already got the plans drawn up and funding outline to build a Shuttle museum. They're just waiting for a Shuttle.

Another possibility is Enterprise not going back to Edwards, but somewhere else... Seattle's Museum of Flight has been mentioned as a dark horse candidate.


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Quoting Thorny (Reply 10):
The Air Force Museum is campaigning hard for Discovery, but with the bad blood over the program between NASA and the Air Force, I don't think they'll get NASA's endorsement and the Smithsonian will almost certainly want Discovery in Washington. The Air Force will get Atlantis.

Why does the Air Force want Discovery so bad? Just curious as to what difference it makes to them which shuttle they get with the exception of Enterprise, which I would understand since it was never a functioning vehicle.



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4927 times:
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Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 11):
Why does the Air Force want Discovery so bad?

Discovery was the "blue" orbiter the Air Force was supposed to have used out of Vandenburg. I don't see really where it makes a difference though since SLC6 never opened for shuttle business at Vandenburg.

I think the Air Force Museum would be lucky to get any flown orbiter......



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4913 times:
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Quoting EELonghorn (Reply 8):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA905

Out of Amarillo for Offutt now....



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User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 11):
Why does the Air Force want Discovery so bad? Just curious as to what difference it makes to them which shuttle they get with the exception of Enterprise, which I would understand since it was never a functioning vehicle.

Discovery flew the first military manned space mission, STS-51C in January, 1985. She also was planned to be dedicated to Vandenberg AFB, at least for the first few years of Vandenberg Shuttle Ops.

That said, Atlantis actually flew more military missions than Discovery, so I think they'll get her instead.

Military flights:
Columbia: 1 (STS-28)
Discovery: 4 (STS-51C, STS-33, STS-39, STS-53)
Atlantis: 5 (STS-51J, STS-27, STS-36, STS-38, STS-44)
Endeavour: 1 (STS-99)

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 12):
I think the Air Force Museum would be lucky to get any flown orbiter......

There aren't many choices. With the possible exception of Edwards, the Smithsonian is not going to allow an Orbiter to sit outdoors and rot the way JSC let their Saturn V rot (KSC had trouble too, but they kept theirs in somewhat better condition and then moved it indoors 12 years ago. JSC still isn't finished.) They'd prefer a space-flown Orbiter for the National Air & Space Museum (originally almost certainly to be Columbia, now Discovery is best available.) KSC already has a plan for indoor display, a'la the Apollo/Saturn V Center. The Air Force Museum can accomodate an Orbiter indoors (there's also just something right about having an Orbiter in the city that was the birthplace of aviation), as can the Seattle Museum of Flight. The list of prospects drops of markedly after that.

Discovery, the oldest surviving spaceflown Orbiter and with its history of twice being the Return-to-Flight vehicle and launching Hubble is the clear favorite for the Air & Space Museum.


User currently offlineDash 80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 13):
Out of Amarillo for Offutt now....

Of all the days to be working. Maybe I can see it from the middle of the field at OMA with binoculars.



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User currently offlineDash 80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Well I went out to OFF and saw her. Last time I saw the shuttle on top of the SCA was 1989 so it was good to see it again before they retire the fleet.


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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Looks like she might be at OFF for a while based on the weather in the southeast US now...


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 17):
Looks like she might be at OFF for a while based on the weather in the southeast US now...

They went OFF-HOP (Ft. Cambell, KY) early this morning. If I had to guess, it'd be that they go HOP to one of the military bases in NC or SC and stop there. The CCFP shows NC/SC clear of storms, and a NC/SC stop would put them close enough to the Cape where they can arrive there early enough Tuesday morning before the weather starts building...


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4556 times:
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Airborne out of HOP for KSC. Looks like they are going to pick there way thru the wx in the southeast. ETA: 0827 EDT


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Quoting Thorny (Reply 14):
Discovery, the oldest surviving spaceflown Orbiter and with its history of twice being the Return-to-Flight vehicle and launching Hubble is the clear favorite for the Air & Space Museum.

What will happend to the prototype Enterprise currently displayed at the Udvar-Hazy center?


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4541 times:
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Flight track is now just about 20 miles or so east of my location. Sky here is overcast... Hmmm I thought these guys were a bit more moisture averse than that....


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4525 times:
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Doing low flybys in the KSC area now....

NASA TV is covering



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4521 times:
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Seems to be low hanging clouds or fog in the KSC area...


On the deck!!



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User currently offlineThorny From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 20):
What will happend to the prototype Enterprise currently displayed at the Udvar-Hazy center?

The current favorite is NASA Dryden Flight Research Center at Edwards AFB. Possibly together with NASA 905, the original Boeing 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft. The Seattle Museum of Flight might be able to make a good case for Enterprise, too.


25 Post contains links ZANL188 : Atlantis just after the SCA was towed into the MDD.. Note the gent with the sniffer on the right... http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/ima...h=520&fn=07
26 EMBQA : You know..... I'll admit this morning at 0500 I checked my e-mails before heading out to work I also did my quick look at A.net to see what was new. S
27 RichPhitzwell : at this point what are they sniffing?
28 Post contains images ZANL188 : Given the area he's sniffing I suspect he's looking for trace amounts of nitrogen tetroxide (N204) or monomethyl hydrazine (MMH) the OMS propellants.
29 Post contains links and images ZANL188 : For those curious about SCA/Orbiter ops... Here's a cool shot of the SCA being backed out from underneath the orbiter... More recent shuttle photos av
30 Post contains images PC12Fan : That's because A.net wasn't around back then!! I thought as a kid, and still do think, that this was one one coolest aviation configurations ever sce
31 Corsair1107 : Why bother shuffling them around? Seems like a waste of money.
32 Thorny : The Shuttles, like all surplus NASA hardware of historical significance, will belong to the Smithsonian Institution after NASA retires them. The Smit
33 Corsair1107 : I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I mean why bother moving Enterprise? There's already a shuttle in the Udvar-Hazy center. Why move it out and bring in anoth
34 ZANL188 : Historically speaking Enterprise (never flew a mission in space) isn't nearly as significant as Discovery or one of the other orbiters. As Americas A
35 Thorny : They might not, the Smithsonian hasn't made any decision yet. But the prevailing wisdom and scuttlebutt is that they really want a space-flown Shuttl
36 Post contains images RHAnthony : I just can't wait to see one in the NASM and be that close to one of these things. I'm bummed I can't pull any strings from here at JPL to get a cool
37 ClassicLover : I didn't know Gordon Fullerton was still in the programme! That's excellent. I don't see what the issue is with his age - if he's still capable, then
38 Thorny : No. As ZANL suggested, the Smithsonian doesn't have, say Apollo 14's command module. It has Apollo 11. It doesn't have X-1 No.4, it has Glamorous Gle
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