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Pentagon Shreds F-14s...  
User currently offlineUlfinator From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Very Very Sad....Look at the second picture in the article.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/02/shredding.tomcats.ap/index.html

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User currently offlineCorsair1107 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Would you prefer to part them all out and possibly have spare parts wind up in the hands of somebody that wishes the US destroyed?


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Ahhh Snodgrass...nice guy, hell of a pilot..

Amazing to see how many aren't left in the desert...then again, this airframe experienced alot of losses over it's long career.

I think pre-emptively shredding them while sitting in the safe confines of AMARC is a bit much though....then again, they used to fly these aircraft to museums, pull the seat charges, the classified black boxes, and walk away...maybe take the motors with them, but usually not. Now, as was the case with the Florida Air Museum's F-14D, you're lucky to keep the a/b turkey feathers....usually it's just a black canopy with empty avionics bays. I don't see anything wrong with doing that, at least the memory of the jet will live on.

Seems like just yesterday these jets were the baddest on the block...

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineUlfinator From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Quoting Corsair1107 (Reply 1):
Would you prefer to part them all out and possibly have spare parts wind up in the hands of somebody that wishes the US destroyed?

Nope. Still sad though


User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

There must be another alternative. Perhaps keeping them locked until the Iranians' airframes end their lives.

The Collins Foundation owns an F-4 that performs at air shows (read more in P.Smith's hilarious column on this week's Salon). It would be a shame to prevent future generations from seeing the most beautiful fighter ever designed fly. I bet Capt. Snodgrass would be happy to perform a demo on a privately owned Tomcat.



Let's go Pens!
User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4837 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

Isn't it that LANTIRN pods from the Cats are giving a new lease on life to the S-3B Vikings in Afghanistan and Iraq?


"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineORDFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

That is a truely sad story. Just came across it on CNN as well and was wondering what guys on here were thinking about it. I think we're all kind of in the same boat on this one.

Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 6):
The Collins Foundation owns an F-4 that performs at air shows (read more in P.Smith's hilarious column on this week's Salon). It would be a shame to prevent future generations from seeing the most beautiful fighter ever designed fly. I bet Capt. Snodgrass would be happy to perform a demo on a privately owned Tomcat.

I loved the Tomcat the first time I ever saw her at the Chicago air show -- even before I saw Top Gun. I was hoping a few of the later F-14s would be preserved, in flying condition, by either some wealthy individuals or charities or something like that. I was actually hoping one of those civilian companies that does those dog-fighting tours would get a couple of em and let take some civilians for a ride. I sure wouldn't want those babies to get in the wrong hands, either, but there's got to be a better way....


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Says something about the F-14s abilities as a fighter.

After 25+ years with no technical support we are still worried about the F-14 force of an Arab country.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

I'm sure a lot of museums in the world would like to have one..

User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
No doubt, you're referring to Iran, which is predominately Persian, not Arab. Glad you're up on your "threats."

Close enough

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
Hope to see more winged killing machines in pieces soon.

And you read this section of the website for what reason?


User currently offlineHemispheres From United States of America, joined May 2004, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Let's go over and shred Iran's fleet of F-14 "winged killing machines", and save ours instead.  bigthumbsup 

Besides isn't Iran trying to aquire some MIG-29s and SU-30s? I wonder how far they would go to piece together their 80 old F-14s.



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User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

what I dont understand is ... there are TONS of commercial aircraft just rotting. Why are those not cut apart and re-used?

User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting CF188A (Reply 11):
what I dont understand is ... there are TONS of commercial aircraft just rotting. Why are those not cut apart and re-used?

Two words for you: Di¢k Cheney.

He's the one who single handidly went against the wishes of the USN at the time and cancelled the F-14D program shortly after it had begun it's 392 build was Congressionally funded and approved per the USN's request. Cheney had a pi$$ing contest with Grumman execs that evidently carries over to this day - Cheney even ordered the F-14 tooling to be destroyed when he axed the program (fortunately it was not) and I would not be surprised one bit to learn Cheney had something to do with this latest program. You can take precautions to remove sensitive parts (which the USN has done) and the remaining airframes can still be stored in the boneyard around a security perimeter, but someone evidently still thought there was a need to physically destroy as many F-14's as they could - who would have such a beef against the F-14?

Di¢k Cheney - I'd sure like to hear his side of the story someday, but then again I'm not sure I would really trust what he had to say anyways!

[Edited 2007-07-04 05:01:41]

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

I know, it was a bum deal and the Boeing mafia owns the entire flight deck...when they stick the dome and 3NFO's on a Hornet, that is.

But, like the bumper sticker on my truck says....

"I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney....


than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy"


:D Big grin

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineWolverine From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Sad that it has to end in this way! Ok, I can understand that they don't want to see it in wrong hands.. But why not let them rust in peace or display it in Museums all over the world? I don't know any european Museum, that has a Tomcat on display..
So if the Navy cut out the sensitive Parts, why destroy this great plane totally?



Face your fears, live your dreams! (No Fear)
User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Quoting Wolverine (Reply 14):
Sad that it has to end in this way! Ok, I can understand that they don't want to see it in wrong hands.. But why not let them rust in peace or display it in Museums all over the world? I don't know any european Museum, that has a Tomcat on display..
So if the Navy cut out the sensitive Parts, why destroy this great plane totally?

at that there are F-104 display teams, Sabre Display Teams, Mig-21 Display Teams.... ETC. Would it not make sense to keep an F-14 / SR-71 in the same fashion? I would rather see an SR-71 fly then a mig lol. But then again I am sure the politics and the cost at running one of those things (sr-71) is slightly different than a mig-21


User currently offlineWolverine From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Even if it's not ready to fly, I would like to see it in an european museum.. What about Duxford? They already have a lot of american Warbirds, so the F-14 would perfectly fit in their collection.


Face your fears, live your dreams! (No Fear)
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

That is just sad. I wish TAM would buy one or two, they have a museum with a bunch of old birds.

http://www.museutam.com.br/smt/jsp/d...ault.jhtml?adPagina=563&adIdioma=2



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

I agree with keeping the F-14D's and F-14B's handy....don't canabalize them, leave them be. I'm sure they have though-the services have a way of keeping their most-recent aircraft ready to go, while the previous generations in storage will rot/be scrapped....or in the case of the F-4,a nice drone. I doubt you'll see the F-14 become a drone as the operating
costs would be staggering...they can't wait to transition to the F-16 forcost's sake.

There were some OLD F-14's that were certainly cycled out, rotting awaythere, so I suppose that's alot of what they're doing. Still sad though.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Deltaguy

You do remember what happened on Dick Cheney's shooting party....

Anyone who shots without a clear target is a menace, (unless he shot the guy deliberately  Wink ).

Particularly given that one of the party had dropped out of sight.

As for Kennedy, he is a long time has been.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Right Bennett, but the point of the bumper sticker was to say that Ted Kennedy was the more evil of the two...given the choice I'd chose Dick Cheney, at least I'd survive the shooting vs. drowning to death in a car.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2516 times:

I think it's kind of ridiculous and paranoid, but that's the SOP. Let's see, Iran's (relatively) untrained pilots in some old F-14Alphas vs. professional killers in F-22s, F-35s and F-18Es, you do the math...
 Wink



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

While they are at it they better cut up all the F-4's and F-5's since the Iranian Air Force has them as well.

User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4346 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Wow, the day has finally come. I remember hearing stories at work while we were starting our transistion to Hornets. Pretty much they were right on what was going to happen to the engines and to the airframes. The engine would be cut in half and be smashed into a big metal 4x4 block, like a Coke can and also the Air Force and the Navy would use it as "target" practice. Sad indeed.

User currently offlinePride From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

As far as i know the only reason the Iranian F-14s are a threat is it's radar. That's why the Iranians like to keep them flying at all costs.

25 Vzlet : Maybe the Iranians should send a couple of F-14s out on the airshow circuit...
26 Par13del : Lets say for arguments sake I buy into the VP being behind this move, what does it say for the Navy administration who were all over the place bad-mou
27 Post contains images HanginOut : Let's not forget that the "Navy administration" is packed with political appointees. I don't see any of them wanting to cross Cheney (if he is indeed
28 Post contains links Cadet985 : Maybe someday, F-14s will fly in the airshow circuit...there's a museum in Reading, PA - the Mid Atlantic Air Museum...they recovered a P-61 which was
29 RHAnthony : I wish I had the check book to pick one up ... would be nice for quick visits from here at LAX back to IAD to see my parents :P
30 Post contains images CF188A : common sense u mean
31 747400sp : Is Dick Cheney really this eveil? PS: I do not like him, but I just wanted to know is he this eveil.
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