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India To Buy Israeli Phalcons

Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

A deal to purchase Israeli Phalcon AWACS Systems is likely to be signed today when Shimon Peres meets the Indian Defence Minister George Fernandes. George has indicated that the Il76 platform may be used to mount the Israeli system. The Indian Air Force already operates a sizable fleet of Il76 called Gajraj locally.

The move comes even as India is having difficulty buildng an indegenous AWACS system. The original plan was to build an AWACS system indegenously and mount it on a A300/310 platform. A development version was built using modified Hindustan 748 Turboprops. One of the test planes crashed near Chennai, and the programme seems to have died a slow death since then, even as the Air Force was eagerly awaiting this vital piece of equipment.

An AWACS system is regarded as a vital element in India's Nuclear Policy of building a "triad" of delivery systems and their associated c4i systems and Israels assistance will be a great help towards this end.

It remains to be seen how the US reacts to this development. The US had earlier blocked the sale of the same equipment to the PRC.

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LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Since Pakistan is now America's best friend (who wouldn't be for $30 Billion?), it is most likely that the States will block the deal soon, and Boeing will probably end up selling a whole bunch of overpriced E767's to India 4-5 years down the road. Insane

LY744.

Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it

Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

767's from the US? highly unlikely.

India has always regarded US eqpt with suspicion. After the Packet Transports bought in the 50's, the IAF hasnt used ANY American eqpt (except 737's used for VIP transport).

There are French and Russian eqpt on the market. There are also reports that Israel may pitch in through the "back-door".

LY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

We (Israel) always jump at the oppurtunity to sell things to neighbors of Arab countries Big thumbs up

No, just kidding. I agree with LY744, the US will probably block the deal like the whole deal with the Kfir.

Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2921 times:

We (Israel) always jump at the oppurtunity to sell things to neighbors of Arab countries

No...but you have a nasty habit of wanting to sell technology you've acquired from the US to countries we'd prefer not have it.

LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2918 times:

"No...but you have a nasty habit of wanting to sell technology you've acquired from the US to countries we'd prefer not have it."

Ouch! Smile

Could you give a single example, Heavymetal?

LY744.

Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it

Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

The Phalcon system contains a great deal of US originated (particularly Motorola) technology. Even you must conceed the fact that your country excels in reverse engineering and improving existing systems.

If this system was completely indigenous in idea and design, why did the Pentagon threaten to cut off future technology transfers to Israel?

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2000/06/29/Features/Features.8937.html

There is your single example. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

"...the fact that your country excels in reverse engineering and improving existing systems..."

Was that directed at me?

LY744.

Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it

Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

From LY744 post dated 2002-01-10 09:46:20

"We (Israel)....... "

Your words? Or no? This comment was what my comment was based on.

Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

WAY my bad. Clearly my contacts are smogged .

I'm confusing my LY's.

It is one of the great blessings I never had an inkling to become an air traffic controller.

I apologize for the mixup, but stand by my other comments.

LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Don't worry about it, happens all the time! Big thumbs up

LY744.

Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it

Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

From todays ToI (http://www.timesofindia.com):
The US has Okayed the sale of the system, but has asked Israel and India to go easy with the public pronounceents on the topic.

Apparently, the US is *uneasy* with Russia, Israel and India *ganging up* (int their eyes) after terrorist attacks on these 3 countries.

LY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Alex: I feel like we are twins and we all the time get confused who is who!

Hoffa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

AFAIK, the platform for the Phalcon system was to be the IL76 due to commonality with other transport aircraft in the IAF.

Personally, I'm surprised India didn't object to Israel trying to sell the same system to China in 1999. Uncle Sam knows India unlike China will never target the US so I don't see what the objection was in the first place.

Israel actually has a very large indigenous avionics industry. They do not "reverse engineer" on the scale of the Chinese and Pakistanis and the US technology comes via export licences so somebody somewhere is making a profit on it.

Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

The JPost article is simply about American anger at Israel for wanting to sell the plane to China, particularly American legislators friendly with Israel. It says nothing about American technology in the Phalcon of what I believe is a small amount.

Anyway, America made very clear to Israel that the Phalcon would not be sold to China and guess what.... the Phalcon was not sold to China.

India should be much less of an issue as US interests in India are as strong or stronger than they are with Pakistan. Pakistan is not a special friend of the US just a convenient ally to help beat up al Qaida.

TNNH

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