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"Rafale" Translation  
User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

I read some time ago the name "Rafale" is translated "Squal" and the writer noted that this was not an inspiring name for a high performance tactical fighter. I don't speak French, but suspect the more literal translation might be "Storm" which would be very appropriate for a fighter name. Can anyone tell me if "Storm" is the way Rafale is meant to be translated?


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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me if "Storm" is the way Rafale is meant to be translated?

My French is pretty rusty, but I would say "Gust" comes a little closer than "Storm".



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
My French is pretty rusty, but I would say "Gust" comes a little closer than "Storm".

My French dictionaries confirm that, it means "gust". But in the military context, it can also mean "fire burst".



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

squal, proper name for the French military  Smile


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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6062 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
squal, proper name for the French military

Not a particularly inspiring name, given the English translation. But "Rafale" has always sounded nice to me.



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4):
Rafale

It sounds exactly like what it distinguishes it from any other combat aircraft: Elegance and the art of integrating aesthetics in the design process.


User currently offlineFairchild24 From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

Dear All

I read in an inteview with Erik Bratt the creator of SAAB 35 Draken, that the name he had in mind was "kite" and not "dragon" as many people think.

Drake(n) is both kite and dragon in Swedish.

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Göran



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 5):
It sounds exactly like what it distinguishes it from any other combat aircraft: Elegance and the art of integrating aesthetics in the design process.

That implies the name was chosen for the way it sounds, rather than chosen for its meaning. If true, the name does have a nice sound to it; distinctively French and not too military.



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

Quoting Fairchild24 (Reply 6):
I read in an inteview with Erik Bratt the creator of SAAB 35 Draken, that the name he had in mind was "kite" and not "dragon" as many people think.

Drake(n) is both kite and dragon in Swedish.

That's an interesting tidbit. But a dragon it is, not a kite, even if Erik Bratt didn't realize it yet.

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User currently offlineEmmenezMoi From France, joined Apr 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

I can confirm that rafale in French means either strong gust or blast (of wind), or alternatively a burst of fire (from a gun), which I think are both quite suitable for a military fighter...


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 5):
It sounds exactly like what it distinguishes it from any other combat aircraft: Elegance and the art of integrating aesthetics in the design process.

Elegance and aesthetics belong on iPods, cars, and clothing, not warplanes.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
Elegance and aesthetics belong on iPods, cars, and clothing, not warplanes.

I previously thought that especially a.net members appreviate that, but it seems I'm wrong...  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 11):
I previously thought that especially a.net members appreviate that, but it seems I'm wrong...

By your suggestion, we should all be A-10 haters.



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):

By your suggestion, we should all be A-10 haters.

It's matter of taste whether you find beauty in it or not. It's not that ugly after all ...


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5695 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 13):
It's matter of taste whether you find beauty in it or not. It's not that ugly after all ...

Listen, my point isn't that warfighters can't be pretty. It's just that should be a peripheral consideration.



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 14):
It's just that should be a peripheral consideration.

That is something you will not able be to convince a real Frenchman of. Ever been to France? They try to put beauty in everything. I guess that's part of being French. Similar to Brits putting beans on toast. Nobody outside Britain would ever do that.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 15):
That is something you will not able be to convince a real Frenchman of. Ever been to France? They try to put beauty in everything. I guess that's part of being French.

Yes, you're obviously right.



That said, the Rafale is, indeed, pretty. I'm not so fond of the Mirage deltas though.



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

lol ...haha ...  thumbsup 

User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
squal, proper name for the French military

LOL. What should we say about dutch military then ???  Smile


Rafale is a very nice and elegant name, evoking the wind and the speed. The second meaning - like it was already said - of rafale is something repetitive and very fast.


User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5412 times:

Replacing the Crusader in the French Navy,and with that silhouette, she might almost have been named Crucifix. Sorry for the self-plug.

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Seriously, Rafale is indeed a pretty name, like Mirage before her. So much better than Fighting Falcon, to give a particularly bad example.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 19):
Seriously, Rafale is indeed a pretty name, like Mirage before her. So much better than Fighting Falcon, to give a particularly bad example.

Peter

They could have left off the "Fighting" and just named the F-16 "Falcon". "Fighting Falcon" seems to convey the impression someone wanted to be sure the world knew this was going to be a "fighting" airplane. Like fighters are for anything else!  Smile



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 20):
They could have left off the "Fighting" and just named the F-16 "Falcon". "Fighting Falcon" seems to convey the impression someone wanted to be sure the world knew this was going to be a "fighting" airplane. Like fighters are for anything else!

Exactly my point Smile Btw, is a 'fighting falcon' a falconer's (hawker's) bird, as in 'fighting cock'? But even then it's not a good name, too long. 'Falcon' might have stuck. The 'Viper' nickname is very good I think. Incidentally some Dutch people used to call the F-16 the Bunzing (Polecat).

Peter



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5209 times:
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The translation fails the original meaning. If you think of Rafale as a sudden burst or blast of violent and buffeting winds then perhaps you've reached a good bit closer to the original meaning.....a squall is perhaps better than a gust....

the airplane is certainly a good bit more than a 'gust' of a strike fighter.....

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
By your suggestion, we should all be A-10 haters.

Never, sir! The Warthog is the prettiest fixed-winged airplane in the sky to grunts everywhere......



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5135 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 22):
The translation fails the original meaning. If you think of Rafale as a sudden burst or blast of violent and buffeting winds then perhaps you've reached a good bit closer to the original meaning.....a squall is perhaps better than a gust....

Now that I got to know what Rafale means I fathom that it seams to be a European tradition to name war birds after meteorological effects (Rafale, Mirage, Typhoon, Tornado ...) while the US are more fond of birds of prey and other animals like warthogs.

Why not name them after cartoon heroes? How about the The "F-22 Homer" or the "F-35 Kenny"? That would be far more contemporary. I mean aircraft carriers are named after presidents, who are also some type of hero for some people.


User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5121 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 21):
Incidentally some Dutch people used to call the F-16 the Bunzing (Polecat).

I heard older pilots who also flew the F-104 call the F-16 "het gebakje" which means cup cake, because it flies so smooth as eating a cup cake or something  Smile

BTW, I like the fact the F-35 is called Lightning II (nice meterological effect  Wink ) and tribute to the Lockheed P-38 Lightning and English Electric Lightning


25 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : The plane was so pretty, they had to emphasize that..... The A-10 was nicknamed that. Its official name is also weather related..... View Large View
26 Post contains links and images Ptrjong : So many people, so many opionions. No matter how good it is, the F-16 is not a pretty fighter in my opinion. It's the Polecat, the Viper, the Sucking
27 F27Friendship : it does reflect on Lockheed (P-38) and BAE (of which EE is a heritage company) and emphasizes the international aspect of the programme. Also, both P
28 Post contains images Tugger : So what do you call the Eurofighter? While I like the EF's looks for the most part, the square double intakes underneath give an un-elegant look head
29 DL021 : And the Warthog was named officially the Thunderbolt II..... what really matters is what the troopies call it and how it performs.
30 Post contains links and images Ptrjong : Yes, the Eurofighter's intake look worse than the F-16's, and overall, the Eurofighter (or Typhoon, quite a good name) always looks like a cheap piec
31 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : This was the Polecat..... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-f-35-jsf-among-other-new-uav.html Considering all the upgrades it's getting, includ
32 Post contains images MCIGuy : How about "Démodé A La Naissance"?
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