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Found Some Interesting Pics Of J-10 Fighter...  
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

http://jczs.news.sina.com.cn/nz/j10/index.shtml

pretty good database. click on the photos to open up the set

it looks here like somebody got a little carried away with the photoshop:

http://milfans.news.sina.com.cn/user...269490/7120.jpg&url_c=Õ½¶·ÖеÄJ-10


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User currently offlineN74jw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Yeah, pretty interesting. I wonder if they use lead-based paint?

User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

but unfortunately there are almost no pics of their cockpit, it must be so advanced that they cannot permit westerners to see it..


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User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3736 times:
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Looks like our Israeli brothers & sisters finally found someone to build the Lavi, Mazeltov! Wish it were us. Fantastic looking aircraft.

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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

It still looks like copied EF to me.

User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 4):
It still looks like copied EF to me.

A single engine Typhoon with the canards moved back further on the nose.  Smile



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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

lol! is that second pic AirForce 1 being shot down by a J-10? little bit lame huh..

I wonder if the thing is any good..


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 6):
I wonder if the thing is any good..

It would be hard to say for sure, but I would expect the USAF has a good idea of its performance considering the heritage of the airframe. It might be a new design for the Chinese, but in the end it is still a eairly 80s design.


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 7):
, but in the end it is still a eairly 80s design

so is the eurofighter and the rafale. The development programs for those jets also started in the 80's.....



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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 8):
The development programs for those jets also started in the 80's.....

so did the F-22


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

But the Lavi was flying in 1987 (Dec 31 1986). Designed, built, and flying. The Eurofighter was flying in 94, the F-22 Raptor (not YF-22) put to the air in 97, the F-35 was 2 weeks short of 2007. Unless the Chinese put some super-duper engine and radar in the Lavi airframe... it is just a improved Lavi, which might be a hardware match for late block F-16s, and maybe F/A-18E/Fs.

I would expect the Lavi knock-off to be inferior to the original Lavi. The Chinese dont have the industry to build and maintain these jets themselves to the same standard as Israel did. It is just another Chinese knock-off, Israeli airframe with Russian engine and electronics.

In relation to the F-22, F-35, EF 2000... the J-10 should be called the QJ-10, cause that is what will happen, unless the Russians loan the Chinese a few pilots in a conflict like they did in Korea and Vietnam.


User currently offlineTexL1649 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Wasn't the Lavi really a heavily re-worked F-16?

User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 10):
But the Lavi was flying in 1987 (Dec 31 1986). Designed, built, and flying. The Eurofighter was flying in 94, the F-22 Raptor (not YF-22) put to the air in 97, the F-35 was 2 weeks short of 2007. Unless the Chinese put some super-duper engine and radar in the Lavi airframe... it is just a improved Lavi, which might be a hardware match for late block F-16s, and maybe F/A-18E/Fs.

I would expect the Lavi knock-off to be inferior to the original Lavi. The Chinese dont have the industry to build and maintain these jets themselves to the same standard as Israel did. It is just another Chinese knock-off, Israeli airframe with Russian engine and electronics.

But theoretically wouldn't this airplane be used only in case of a conflict over Taiwan with the Taiwanese Air Force? Or have the plane used on patrol missions as part of coalition forces in future conflicts? Or against its neighboring countries that have vastly inferior air forces. Remamber the PLAAF strategy is still mostly defensive, not offensive. They have no longe range strategic bombers, no blue water naval capacity, no aircraft carriers, and limited air refueling capacity. They cannot project global power.



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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

China doesn't have an offensive force at the moment, but they are working on it. They are/were trying to buy Russian Tu-16s, with cruise missiles designed to take out American aircraft carriers. The F-14 was designed nearly specifically to counter this threat. They have bought the Russian aircraft carrier Varyag, but probably wont use it themselves, but are studying it to build their own carrier. They are indeed working on a deep water navy, including nuclear submarines.

China is not a global force, yet.


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 13):
. They are/were trying to buy Russian Tu-16s

a 50+ year old design that is hardly state of the art...

Quoting Oroka (Reply 13):
They are indeed working on a deep water navy, including nuclear submarines.

China is not a global force, yet.

agreed but the question is how many years or decades in the future will it take them to reach this point? And whether their J-10 is geared as a offensive or purely defensive fighter??



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting TexL1649 (Reply 11):
Wasn't the Lavi really a heavily re-worked F-16?

Look closely and judge for yourself.....  Smile

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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 15):
a 50+ year old design that is hardly state of the art...

And it still works. The B-52 is kinda getting up there... but it does its job well.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 15):
agreed but the question is how many years or decades in the future will it take them to reach this point? And whether their J-10 is geared as a offensive or purely defensive fighter??

I wouldnt want to be the guy they blame when China shows up to play games with thier own Carrier battle group out of nowhere. I would assume they have these assets under construction as we speak. Maybe not the carrier yet, but it is only a matter of time.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 16):

You quoted the wrong person.



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 2):
but unfortunately there are almost no pics of their cockpit, it must be so advanced that they cannot permit westerners to see it..

The plane appears to have offensive capability, but that's not to say they can use smart bombs. I have to wonder if the Chinese are undertaking a phased development program, similar to the one being used with the Eurofighter Typhoon, and introducing improved and more capable versions of the J-10 as the years go by.



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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 17):
You quoted the wrong person.

Sorry, sometimes I forget the quote button for a persons post is above and not below  banghead   faint 


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