Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3006 times:
but unfortunately there are almost no pics of their cockpit, it must be so advanced that they cannot permit westerners to see it..
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Fridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1383 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3006 times:
Looks like our Israeli brothers & sisters finally found someone to build the Lavi, Mazeltov! Wish it were us. Fantastic looking aircraft.
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EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3006 times:
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 4): It still looks like copied EF to me.
A single engine Typhoon with the canards moved back further on the nose.
It would be hard to say for sure, but I would expect the USAF has a good idea of its performance considering the heritage of the airframe. It might be a new design for the Chinese, but in the end it is still a eairly 80s design.
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
Quoting Oroka (Reply 7): , but in the end it is still a eairly 80s design
so is the eurofighter and the rafale. The development programs for those jets also started in the 80's.....
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Oroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2840 times:
But the Lavi was flying in 1987 (Dec 31 1986). Designed, built, and flying. The Eurofighter was flying in 94, the F-22 Raptor (not YF-22) put to the air in 97, the F-35 was 2 weeks short of 2007. Unless the Chinese put some super-duper engine and radar in the Lavi airframe... it is just a improved Lavi, which might be a hardware match for late block F-16s, and maybe F/A-18E/Fs.
I would expect the Lavi knock-off to be inferior to the original Lavi. The Chinese dont have the industry to build and maintain these jets themselves to the same standard as Israel did. It is just another Chinese knock-off, Israeli airframe with Russian engine and electronics.
In relation to the F-22, F-35, EF 2000... the J-10 should be called the QJ-10, cause that is what will happen, unless the Russians loan the Chinese a few pilots in a conflict like they did in Korea and Vietnam.
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2686 times:
Quoting Oroka (Reply 10): But the Lavi was flying in 1987 (Dec 31 1986). Designed, built, and flying. The Eurofighter was flying in 94, the F-22 Raptor (not YF-22) put to the air in 97, the F-35 was 2 weeks short of 2007. Unless the Chinese put some super-duper engine and radar in the Lavi airframe... it is just a improved Lavi, which might be a hardware match for late block F-16s, and maybe F/A-18E/Fs.
I would expect the Lavi knock-off to be inferior to the original Lavi. The Chinese dont have the industry to build and maintain these jets themselves to the same standard as Israel did. It is just another Chinese knock-off, Israeli airframe with Russian engine and electronics.
But theoretically wouldn't this airplane be used only in case of a conflict over Taiwan with the Taiwanese Air Force? Or have the plane used on patrol missions as part of coalition forces in future conflicts? Or against its neighboring countries that have vastly inferior air forces. Remamber the PLAAF strategy is still mostly defensive, not offensive. They have no longe range strategic bombers, no blue water naval capacity, no aircraft carriers, and limited air refueling capacity. They cannot project global power.
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Oroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2656 times:
China doesn't have an offensive force at the moment, but they are working on it. They are/were trying to buy Russian Tu-16s, with cruise missiles designed to take out American aircraft carriers. The F-14 was designed nearly specifically to counter this threat. They have bought the Russian aircraft carrier Varyag, but probably wont use it themselves, but are studying it to build their own carrier. They are indeed working on a deep water navy, including nuclear submarines.
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2640 times:
Quoting Oroka (Reply 13): . They are/were trying to buy Russian Tu-16s
a 50+ year old design that is hardly state of the art...
Quoting Oroka (Reply 13): They are indeed working on a deep water navy, including nuclear submarines.
China is not a global force, yet.
agreed but the question is how many years or decades in the future will it take them to reach this point? And whether their J-10 is geared as a offensive or purely defensive fighter??
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Oroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2493 times:
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 15): a 50+ year old design that is hardly state of the art...
And it still works. The B-52 is kinda getting up there... but it does its job well.
Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 15): agreed but the question is how many years or decades in the future will it take them to reach this point? And whether their J-10 is geared as a offensive or purely defensive fighter??
I wouldnt want to be the guy they blame when China shows up to play games with thier own Carrier battle group out of nowhere. I would assume they have these assets under construction as we speak. Maybe not the carrier yet, but it is only a matter of time.
EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2438 times:
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 2): but unfortunately there are almost no pics of their cockpit, it must be so advanced that they cannot permit westerners to see it..
The plane appears to have offensive capability, but that's not to say they can use smart bombs. I have to wonder if the Chinese are undertaking a phased development program, similar to the one being used with the Eurofighter Typhoon, and introducing improved and more capable versions of the J-10 as the years go by.
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