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New Variant Of The F-22?  
User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

There's been a lot of talk about F-22 production being limited and a cap on the number of airplanes that will be built. But has anyone considered the possibility that Lockheed-Martin might be working on a newer version of the airplane; one that would stir excitement even in Congress and and the Defense Department and would compel authorization of more production? I find it hard to believe that Lockheed-Martin is sitting back and blandly accepting limited orders for their world class fighter.


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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

There was already a proposed "FB-22" variant that was basically a medium bomber with a larger wing and no vertical stabs. The cost/benefit analysis didn't work out and the idea was scrapped. As for an "F-22C" model, I'm not sure what they could do that couldn't just be upgraded on the A model.


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User currently offlineN74JW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

I really really doubt it. The US Congress can barely get it's act together to give the USAF the aircraft it currently needs.
Sooner or later, the F-15E's replacement will have to be considered and sought.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5616 times:



Quoting N74JW (Reply 2):
Sooner or later, the F-15E's replacement will have to be considered and sought.

Isn't that the 2018 bomber the USAF wants?


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5568 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
Isn't that the 2018 bomber the USAF wants?

I thought that was to be a bomber, rather than a fighter-bomber like the F-15E. Might the F-22 be redesigned to become an optimized fighter-bomber, thus keeping the production lines opened? Does anyone know if Lockheed-Martin is even thinking about means to keep the plane in production?



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User currently offlineTexL1649 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

LM has probably figured out it is more profitable/successful to wait until the line is just about closed to pitch additional lots/versions.

When "jobs are on the line" the politico's are a lot more "flexible."


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5404 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4):
I thought that was to be a bomber, rather than a fighter-bomber like the F-15E. Might the F-22 be redesigned to become an optimized fighter-bomber, thus keeping the production lines opened? Does anyone know if Lockheed-Martin is even thinking about means to keep the plane in production?

The F-22A already has a decent AG capability. It can drop a JDAM at cruise speed and keep on truckin'. That's at the cost of some internal AMRAAM though. After the "first day of the war" stealth capability isn't as important, the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5360 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 6):
the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.

I know this has a lot of practical application.. But how many additional billions did it cost to give the turkey stealth capability that doesn't really matter?

Not to start a shit storm.. But I keep thinking upgraded F-15s would have been the cost effective solution.

Oh wait, upgraded F-15s don't look pretty on a recruiting poster.


User currently offlineCactusHP From United States of America, joined May 2004, 348 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Probably a cheaper version will get congress moving. But beyond that, I think a invisible aircraft (to the naked eye) would be pretty cool.  cool 


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 5295 times:



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 7):
Oh wait, upgraded F-15s don't look pretty on a recruiting poster.

Not that recruiting posters are under any obligation to accurately portray our armed services  Wink


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5266 times:



Quoting CactusHP (Reply 8):
Probably a cheaper version will get congress moving. But beyond that, I think a invisible aircraft (to the naked eye) would be pretty cool.

I recall a cheaper version of the B-2A was offered at one time and that went nowhere. I doubt a cheaper F-22 will go far either.



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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Personally I'm hoping for a two-seater version. I know that chances of such a bird developing are slim to none.

User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5178 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 6):
the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.

Has the AF started testing of the pylons yet? I'd sure like to see some pics of what they look like.



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User currently offlineWvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

They will probably just build more of the FA-22A's would be my guess, the FB-22 is already scrapped and a FA-22C is just an upgrade which is not needed right now since the FA-22 right now doesnt really have any competitors. They have been talking aout building around 350 FA-22's now instead of the 183. Upgrading the F-15's not sure it would be worth it maybe building more F-15E's or supplementing F-18 E/F's in their place would be the most cost effective Idea.

User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5078 times:



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 7):
But I keep thinking upgraded F-15s would have been the cost effective solution.

Not to slam the Eagle guys, but no upgraged F-15 could compete with some of the latest Russian hardware.

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 12):
Has the AF started testing of the pylons yet? I'd sure like to see some pics of what they look like.

There aren't any photos. In fact, I've only seen one or two pcis of a Raptor with ferry tanks. Last I heard, they were working of some sort of diamond-shaped carbon fiber tanks for the F-22 and F-35 so even they can be stealthy.  Smile



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