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New Variant Of The F-22?

EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

There's been a lot of talk about F-22 production being limited and a cap on the number of airplanes that will be built. But has anyone considered the possibility that Lockheed-Martin might be working on a newer version of the airplane; one that would stir excitement even in Congress and and the Defense Department and would compel authorization of more production? I find it hard to believe that Lockheed-Martin is sitting back and blandly accepting limited orders for their world class fighter.

Dare to dream; dream big!

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MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

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There was already a proposed "FB-22" variant that was basically a medium bomber with a larger wing and no vertical stabs. The cost/benefit analysis didn't work out and the idea was scrapped. As for an "F-22C" model, I'm not sure what they could do that couldn't just be upgraded on the A model.

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N74JW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

I really really doubt it. The US Congress can barely get it's act together to give the USAF the aircraft it currently needs.
Sooner or later, the F-15E's replacement will have to be considered and sought.

KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4223 times:

Quoting N74JW (Reply 2):
Sooner or later, the F-15E's replacement will have to be considered and sought.

Isn't that the 2018 bomber the USAF wants?

EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
Isn't that the 2018 bomber the USAF wants?

I thought that was to be a bomber, rather than a fighter-bomber like the F-15E. Might the F-22 be redesigned to become an optimized fighter-bomber, thus keeping the production lines opened? Does anyone know if Lockheed-Martin is even thinking about means to keep the plane in production?

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TexL1649 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

LM has probably figured out it is more profitable/successful to wait until the line is just about closed to pitch additional lots/versions.

When "jobs are on the line" the politico's are a lot more "flexible."

MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4):
I thought that was to be a bomber, rather than a fighter-bomber like the F-15E. Might the F-22 be redesigned to become an optimized fighter-bomber, thus keeping the production lines opened? Does anyone know if Lockheed-Martin is even thinking about means to keep the plane in production?

The F-22A already has a decent AG capability. It can drop a JDAM at cruise speed and keep on truckin'. That's at the cost of some internal AMRAAM though. After the "first day of the war" stealth capability isn't as important, the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.

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CaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 6):
the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.

I know this has a lot of practical application.. But how many additional billions did it cost to give the turkey stealth capability that doesn't really matter?

Not to start a shit storm.. But I keep thinking upgraded F-15s would have been the cost effective solution.

Oh wait, upgraded F-15s don't look pretty on a recruiting poster.

CactusHP From United States of America, joined May 2004, 348 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Probably a cheaper version will get congress moving. But beyond that, I think a invisible aircraft (to the naked eye) would be pretty cool. cool

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DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 7):
Oh wait, upgraded F-15s don't look pretty on a recruiting poster.

Not that recruiting posters are under any obligation to accurately portray our armed services Wink

EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Quoting CactusHP (Reply 8):
Probably a cheaper version will get congress moving. But beyond that, I think a invisible aircraft (to the naked eye) would be pretty cool.

I recall a cheaper version of the B-2A was offered at one time and that went nowhere. I doubt a cheaper F-22 will go far either.

Dare to dream; dream big!

KevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Personally I'm hoping for a two-seater version. I know that chances of such a bird developing are slim to none.

Sinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1532 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 6):
the Raptor can strap on pylons and become a bomb truck too.

Has the AF started testing of the pylons yet? I'd sure like to see some pics of what they look like.

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Wvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

They will probably just build more of the FA-22A's would be my guess, the FB-22 is already scrapped and a FA-22C is just an upgrade which is not needed right now since the FA-22 right now doesnt really have any competitors. They have been talking aout building around 350 FA-22's now instead of the 183. Upgrading the F-15's not sure it would be worth it maybe building more F-15E's or supplementing F-18 E/F's in their place would be the most cost effective Idea.

MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 7):
But I keep thinking upgraded F-15s would have been the cost effective solution.

Not to slam the Eagle guys, but no upgraged F-15 could compete with some of the latest Russian hardware.

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 12):
Has the AF started testing of the pylons yet? I'd sure like to see some pics of what they look like.

There aren't any photos. In fact, I've only seen one or two pcis of a Raptor with ferry tanks. Last I heard, they were working of some sort of diamond-shaped carbon fiber tanks for the F-22 and F-35 so even they can be stealthy. Smile

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