Migman From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 91 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1914 times:
American Forces Press Service WASHINGTON, Feb. 21, 2002
Twelve U.S. service members are feared dead in the crash of a CH-47
helicopter in the Philippines.
The Army chopper crashed into the sea while flying from Basilan Island to
Mactan Air Base. The crash occurred approximately 120 miles north-northeast
of the city of Zamboanga on the island of Mindanao.
There was no sign of hostile fire. The helicopter crashed at 2:30 a.m. Feb.
22 local time, approximately 30 minutes after it took off. The U.S. service
members are in the Philippines in support of the U.S. effort to train and
advise Philippine forces in their efforts against global terrorism, U.S.
Pacific Command officials in Hawaii said.
Another CH-47 that was flying with the chopper immediately searched the area
for survivors. Other U.S. aircraft are assisting in the search. Philippine
embassy officials said their forces are also searching for survivors.
Identification of the U.S. service members has not been released pending
notification of next of kin
Hamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1870 times:
I guess one good reason why "the yanks are always doing this" is because we are one of the few nations that has the balls to stand up for what we believe!
Call us arrogant if you want. And sure, you could say we have misused our military capabilities in the past, but I hope you understand that the relative peace that our generation has known is due largely to the fact the men and women of this country's armed forces are willing to look the Saddam's of the world in the eye and tell him when he's getting out of hand.
So, back to your original question...aircraft losses, especially military, are the cost of big business. We fly thousands upon thousands of sorties every year in peace and combat and accidents are always gonna happen. Consider the age of many of our systems and the lesser experience of our post-drawdown pilot force and overworked crews and you can find a lot of the problems.
Now, go watch a few more planes land, snap a few more pics, have a cold drink, kiss the wife, tuck in the kids and (if you can find the time) thank your maker for putting a few "Hot Shots" out there who making a living looking out for interests and ideals bigger than their own!!!
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1847 times:
I've been reading some of your posts, and I see you have a serious problem against Boeing and America.
What's your problem? Don't you understand that the US Military runs countless numbers of exercises everyday that are risky? The crash numbers are very low when compared to how many exercises are performed.
That's why our military is more powerful by far than any other country's including YOURS, because we train so well and hard.
And another thing, if you're going to speak the English language, speak it the RIGHT WAY.
You don't end a sentence like: "US Military Crashes !!"
The proper way: "US Military Crashes."
You end it with proper punctuation right after the last word.
It bugs me when people don't have the respect to speak proper English. If you speak it, do it right.
So please Hkgspotter1, keep your thoughts of our country to yourself, because in reading the replies to this topic, I see you're bugging people, including me.
VonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4625 posts, RR: 38 Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1843 times:
Ever consider how many helicopters/planes are in the US armed forces? No shit it seems like they crash more. That's like saying Boeing planes are unreliable because more have crashed than airbus planes.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1805 times:
You'd better shut up and have respect for all those who are not native english speakers and do speak english. We would never expect from you or other Americans, Brits, Australians, ... that you would speak our language. Dutch in my case. It bugs me when people like you are so shortsighted when it comes to this.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4437 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1784 times:
Right then, it is now obvious that things have gotten a little out of control. Your welcome for freeing Axis controlled Europe in 1944. I'll make sure to pass it on to my Grandfather. He loved sacrificing a few years of his life because certain countries couldn't behave. You forgot WW I also. How about defending it throughout the entire Cold War? Also, lets add Bosnia and Kosovo. Everybody likes to call us names until you need our help.
There have been a lot of U.S. helicopter crashes in the last few months, but as others have stated, when you fly them a lot and push a spread out force to the brink, these are the problems that will arise in either peace time or war time.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
Schreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
That true CX747... But still... the americans has lots of national problems... so why not taking care of that first? And also the us only paricipate if they have some sort of financial band with the country in war. Do not forget the NATO is not only US....
Okay, my last post was a bit cranky... I am sorry. And don't start about familie who died... almost my whole fam. was KIA in WWII. And certain countries who couldn't behave? What countries r u talking about btw?
2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1773 times:
Funny how things so frequently turn to bashing the U.S. So many Europeans love to point at the US and taunt us, "Oh, you have so many problems, why don't you fix them first." "You just think you are the best and greatest. Always showing off."
The French seem to be the ones who enjoy taunting America the most, and so I found it entertaining to travel through France recently. I spoke with people, tried to read the French papers as well as my limited French would allow, or I picked up English versions. Guess what. France, and the rest of Europe have to same problems internally that we have here. Race issues, homelessness, crime. (Just walk through a Metro station in Paris...) The French are pissy because they are cut out of the peace process in the mid-east. Yet they forget that they were major players in the area through most of the century and burned many bridges in the Arab world by doing little things like trying to seize the Suez canal in the 50's.
The reason you read about the U.S. using its might is because we have the ability to do so. Of course we do it in places that we have a financial interest in. In a perfect world that would not be the case, but we don't live in a perfect world.
2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1772 times:
Ehhh, the French can be fun to pick on. They have given so much to Western culture, art and science, and yet the have the biggest inferiority complexx of any nation! (Is that a Mirage I see heading my way? uh oh....)
Sterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 1775 times:
Indeed, we're making english mistakes, but I'll be interested to see some American/English or others using the three national languages we used in my country... I'm living in belgium (so French/Dutch/German... and also English...) call me when you'll be able to use as many languages as us.
Furthermore, you said that European are bashing the US, maybe that's true, but don't you think that selling guns and weapons to the whole world does not help you to gain some friends or sympathy...maybe more money, but not more friends...
You're standing up as the defender of the whole world?
Who asked you to do that?
With, e.g. your "axis of evil"... Let me laugh... why are you targeting a country like Iran when they have one men who is working to calm down the country and to democraticised it... But you've never help him... The only help he will soon have will be in the form of some B-52G and B-52H throwing him some big fat bombs over his country!
Another example, THE Commander Massoud, have warned you years ago about the situation in Afghanistan, but you do not move... because they do not have enough petrol over there...
And so on, and so on... this post will maybe be deleted, but be sure that such arrogant and imperialist behaviour are becoming every day more and more harder to accept for lots of people.
So I do not say that all the people who've died in WTC and in others places have desserved a such thing, but If you were sometimes taking care of your own problems, wouldn't 4.000 new-yorkers still be alive?
2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 1771 times:
I agree that English speakers should not bash anyone from another non English speaking country for grammatical errors. That is just being petty. (By the way I speak English, Spanish and Serbo Croation...)
As for other issues...The U.S. is not the only nation selling arms all over the world. Every nation that has an arms industry does it. Some of it is done with good intention, some of it with devious intentions. Too many people just point a finger at the U.S. and say we are the root cause of the problem.
As for being a guardian of the free world. Well we sort of fell into it by default. Times are changing and policies will change as time goes by. The threats are different. When I served in the Army the threat to Europe was the Soviet Union. A thin line of soldiers would have died trying to prevent the Soviets from coming across Europe. And many of those, a disproportionate number, would have been Americans.
Yes, America does have problems internally, just like every other nation in the world. Believe it or not we do try to fixx those problems. Sure, we treat some of those problems differently than Europeans do, but that is what makes it good. Everyone is different.
Just as you would want Americans to learn about Europeans, understanding your culture, traditions and values you should learn about Americans and America. Read beyond the newspapers and the idiot TV shows. Understanding each other makes things work much better.