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F-105 And F-111 As Drones  
User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Why was the retired F-105 never used as a target drone? What are the chances F-111s might be used as drones for missiles designed to attack low flying very high speed tactical aircraft?


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2925 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

No chance for F-111s to be used as drones. The current QF-4 fleet will last a little while more, and the USAF has put out a tender for conversion of QF-16s in the past year.


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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4730 times:
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Quoting EBJ1248650 (Thread starter):
Why was the retired F-105 never used as a target drone?

With the losses it suffered during Vietnam I'd be surprised if there were enough frames left to make conversion worthwhile....



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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4686 times:



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):
With the losses it suffered during Vietnam I'd be surprised if there were enough frames left to make conversion worthwhile....

I believe it was more than HALF of the entire F-105 production run was destroyed in Vietnam. (just to add)



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User currently offlineLegs From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4663 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
conversion of QF-16s

Exactly how does the drone conversion work? Do the drones just fly a pre-programmed flight profile? Or is there provision for a ground controller to control the drone?


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

I think very few of the 105's made it to AMARC...most were museum or wreckage.

Lackland AFB has like 15 of them on display in a row, used to train SP's how to guard planes...exciting job sounds like.

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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2925 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4543 times:



Quoting Legs (Reply 4):
Exactly how does the drone conversion work? Do the drones just fly a pre-programmed flight profile? Or is there provision for a ground controller to control the drone?

Both methods are possible, plus the aircraft can still be controlled by a live human in the cockpit. I believe that in addition to the control system and datalink, on the F-4's, an AIM-9 warhead is also installed as an auto-destruct feature (when flown remotely).



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

F-105 Total Production 833

F-105 Total Lost Combat 395

F-105 Total Lost Accidents 226

Source: www.ygbsm.com


User currently offlineN74JW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4511 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
the USAF has put out a tender for conversion of QF-16s in the past year.

This month's AFM has a nice article on the QF-4 and QF-16. The F-16's narrow landing gear is of some issue to the drone-makers as the drones tend to take a harder landing when done by remote.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12141 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4490 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
No chance for F-111s to be used as drones.

I believe most of the F/FB/EF-111s are set aside as spares for the RAAF F/RF-111C/Gs.


User currently offlineMichlis From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
No chance for F-111s to be used as drones.

Wouldn't they be difficult to operate as drones too because their variable geometry wings are manually adjusted?

[edited for grammar]

[Edited 2007-12-27 09:11:04]


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User currently offlineFlyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4389 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 1):
No chance for F-111s to be used as drones. The current QF-4 fleet will last a little while more, and the USAF has put out a tender for conversion of QF-16s in the past year.

With all the structural problems with early F-15's, I wonder if there will be a QF-15?


User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4343 times:



Quoting Flyingclrs727 (Reply 11):
With all the structural problems with early F-15's, I wonder if there will be a QF-15?

While that would seem a good possibility, it appears the F-16 is the preferred airplane for the next series of drones; QF-16A and B? I wonder if the early F/A-18A and B models will ultimately be considered for drone duty as well.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12141 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4194 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 13):
I wonder if the early F/A-18A and B models will ultimately be considered for drone duty as well.

I thought the Hornets and Super Bigs were drones now.

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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4163 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 13):
I wonder if the early F/A-18A and B models will ultimately be considered for drone duty as well.

I thought the Hornets and Super Bigs were drones now.

Depends on who you ask.  Smile



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4069 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
F-105 Total Production 833

F-105 Total Lost Combat 395

F-105 Total Lost Accidents 226

Source: www.ygbsm.com

There are 103 surviving F-105's, mostly at museums; none, sadly, are airworthy.

Source: "F-105 Thunderchief" by Plunkett. (Great book, by the way.)

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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4010 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 16):
Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 7):
F-105 Total Production 833

F-105 Total Lost Combat 395

F-105 Total Lost Accidents 226

Source: www.ygbsm.com

There are 103 surviving F-105's, mostly at museums; none, sadly, are airworthy.

Source: "F-105 Thunderchief" by Plunkett. (Great book, by the way.)

THUDS FOREVER!

Nice web site mentioned too.



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