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Another USAF/Boeing Contract In Trouble  
User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Pemco's challenge to the USAF's award of the KC-135's depot maintenance contract to Boeing is upheld by the GAO.


http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/071227/boeing_pemco.html?.v=3

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-kc-135-depot-award-to-boeing.html

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User currently offlineMichlis From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

New strategy to beat America's military: compete for defense contracts and if you don't win then complain to the GAO. By the time it is resolved and a "winner" is chosen, American forces will already be defeated because of lack of usable equipment.  sarcastic 


If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles.
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Ridiculous. Just a bunch of whining, sniveling, group of sore losers... who don't give a shit about the troops. All they care about is making sure that cash flow from the government's tit doesn't go uninterrupted.

The whole system is fucked up.

-UH60


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

I don't know why Pemco should be pissed of, when Boeing gets a contract they rarely do the work themselves, they always subcontract, here at Tinker they have these new Boeing hangers but everybody doing the work is from L3 or Raytheon. Very rarely do you see a guy from Boeing with a tool box. If Pemco would have played ball they would of had a huge subcontract from Boeing. Also the reason that Pemco underbids they do crappy work and give back a piece of crap that has to be repaired at the field level. Dyncorp has most of the training acft mx and what they can't get fixed on day shift doesnt get fixed until the next day and the training flying schedule suffers for it.


I would help you but it is not in the contract
User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31098 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3226 times:
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Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 2):
Ridiculous. Just a bunch of whining, sniveling, group of sore losers... who don't give a shit about the troops. All they care about is making sure that cash flow from the government's tit doesn't go uninterrupted.

When Boeing lost the original KC-767 (now KC-45A) contract, I think everyone else smelt blood in the water and now challenges everything Boeing wins in the hope the taint of the scandal will win at least a re-bid where they can then see what Boeing offered and undercut it.

What I think is important, however, is that it is the USAF being faulted by the GAO and not Boeing. So I think many of these companies are sowing their own future doom since Boeing will likely "repay the favor" in future contracts they may lose, siting the USAF's own flawed award processes and demanding the GAO investigate.

Of course, the troops, sailors, airfolk and Marines lose there, as well, but hey, it's just business...  Sad  mad 


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

One interesting item if it does go to a rebid. Pemco sold all of its non-military businesses off and is being renamed Alabama Aircraft Industries. This was mentioned in one of the articles but they missed the fact that they will now operate as a Small Business for federal contracts which should be a competitive advantage when all else is equal.

I'm generally inclined to give Boeing the benefit of the doubt in these situations but the timing of Reicherts suicide days after the amended complaint does not bode well for them in this case. If the complaint had been amended to allege bias on his part days after the suicide it wouldn't be nearly as significant IMO.



Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineCurt22 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3200 times:



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 2):
Ridiculous. Just a bunch of whining, sniveling, group of sore losers... who don't give a shit about the troops. All they care about is making sure that cash flow from the government's tit doesn't go uninterrupted.

The whole system is fucked up.

Don't sugar coat it 60...tell us how you really feel...!


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3079 times:



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 3):
Also the reason that Pemco underbids they do crappy work and give back a piece of crap that has to be repaired at the field level.

Pemco does do shitty work, and has (all the prediseccors of Pemco) for the last 40 years on KC-135, C-130, P-3, and C-131/T-29 work. Even the paint peels off the first time you fly through a rain storm.

There is a reason this company changes its name every few years. Now it is AAII, changing the name even after they filed the protest with that joke of a government agency, the GAO.

Now, the USAF is going to have to make a choice, give some KC-135s due PDM (equil to cilivan "D" checks) a waiver to fly 10% over the hours they are due, or begin grounding KC-135s. Either way, it is a loose/loose for the AF. It can be dangerous to the crews to over fly scheduled maintenance, or you give up on missions to be flown because there is no tanker support. I cannot think of any airplane that would have more effect on the missions flown by the USAF than the KC-135. Almost every mission needs a tanker.

This is in AAII's own protest press release:

AAII / PEMCO AVIATION GROUP, INC. ANNOUNCES FILING OF PROTEST
ON KC-135 AWARD
Birmingham, AL (September 21, 2007) – Alabama Aircraft Industries, Inc. d/b/a Pemco Aviation Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: PAGI) announced today that its Birmingham, Alabama military division, Alabama Aircraft Industries, Inc. – Birmingham d/b/a Pemco Aeroplex, Inc., filed a bid protest at the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) on September 19, 2007. The protest challenges the actions of the U.S. Air Force in awarding a contract to Boeing Aerospace Operations (Boeing) to provide Programmed Depot Maintenance (PDM) for KC-135 aircraft. Pemco believes that the award to Boeing violated both applicable law and the rules that the Air Force had established for the competition. Through its bid protest, Pemco is asking that the Air Force terminate the award to Boeing and redirect the award to Pemco.
Ron Aramini, President and Chief Executive Officer stated, “After receiving the government’s debrief and looking at all the available data, we feel strongly that the contract should have been awarded to Pemco. This is a very serious matter and we are going to fight to ensure all evidence is fully and fairly evaluated.”

What they are really saying, is the USAF gave away a contract that is rightfully ours, so give it back to us.
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