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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

What would it take to make Rafale a more attractive weapon to export customers? Higher powered engines? Simplified avionics? Higher optimazation for the air-to-air role?


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/wp/images/AIR_Rafale_B_Side_Tipped_lg.jpg

The Rafale is a fine fighter - I don't see anything which needs much improvement about it that would dramatically result in export sales. Its marketing OTOH, is an altogether different matter, going by the recent reports.

However, they seem to be working at it, and if this is any indication, there may already be a big improvement.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...xn8AAAEAAGx5K@EAAAAL&modele=jdc_34

Sarkozy guest of honour as India showcases military might

[Edited 2008-01-26 16:41:19]


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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2641 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 1):
The Rafale is a fine fighter - I don't see anything which needs much improvement about it that would dramatically result in export sales. Its marketing OTOH, is an altogether different matter, going by the recent reports.

The French aren't quite sure how to market it or to who? Their Mirage III, F1 and 2000 series jets sold real well; the first two better than the 2000 but I suspect that's due to the price of the latter.



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2572 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 2):

The French aren't quite sure how to market it or to who?

The usual comments in the reports were their insistence on package deals, and conflicting pricing info from the government agency and the manufacturer.



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2531 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 3):
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 2):

The French aren't quite sure how to market it or to who?

The usual comments in the reports were their insistence on package deals, and conflicting pricing info from the government agency and the manufacturer.

Sounds like the manufacturer and the government are talking around each other. And when you say package deals, I presume you mean as directly related to the airplane or are we talking Rafales, other arms, training aircraft, etc. to make a complete package?



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2502 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Thread starter):
What would it take to make Rafale a more attractive weapon to export customers? Higher powered engines? Simplified avionics? Higher optimazation for the air-to-air role?

They've already tested an AESA antenna for the radar, and right from the start of the programme, the engines were designed for higher thrust levels. CFTs were also successfully tested, and the Rafale will get the METEOR missile.

Now all they need to do is sell the thing!



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2474 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 4):
And when you say package deals, I presume you mean as directly related to the airplane or are we talking Rafales, other arms, training aircraft, etc. to make a complete package?

I may have spoken too soon regarding sales strategy improvement and separation of arms deals not directly for use on the fighters.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...HX8AAAEAADTaU0sAAAAS&modele=jdc_34

France bets on Indian non-alignment to sell arms and reactors

We'd just have to wait and see what are specifically tied up to the Rafale offer.



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2445 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 6):
France bets on Indian non-alignment to sell arms and reactors

We'd just have to wait and see what are specifically tied up to the Rafale offer.

I'm not a subscriber so I wasn't able to read the article. Thanks for the reference though.



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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

[quote=DEVILFISH,reply=6]France bets on Indian non-alignment to sell arms and reactors[/quout]
Could you provide an extract from the article please?


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2228 times:



Quoting Art (Reply 8):
Could you provide an extract from the article please?

I would have, but I also don't have access. Sorry.



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User currently offlineWvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2201 times:



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Thread starter):
What would it take to make Rafale a more attractive weapon to export customers? Higher powered engines? Simplified avionics? Higher optimazation for the air-to-air role?

From what I have seen Simpler avionics and the price are its two biggest down falls. I actually like it it s a very good fighter but very complicated to learn and very expensive.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2193 times:



Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 10):
but very complicated to learn

Maybe you can tell us a bit more? It's the first time I've heard this.

Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 10):
and very expensive.

It's cheaper than the Eurofighter.



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User currently offlineWvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2127 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 11):



Quoting A342 (Reply 11):
Maybe you can tell us a bit more? It's the first time I've heard this.

I heard it in another message board and its been in some articles how true it is I dont know but they said that even the french pilots werent too happy with the avionics at first, they may have changed them since then but at one time they said it was a complicated aircraft to learn.


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