Lancero From Colombia, joined Jan 2001, 12 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 973 times:
I am an military pilot on the cargo role.
My felow pilots on the fight´s planes spend a lot of time and fuel training for aereal combat with their infrared misiles (about 3 miles range in optimal conditions). I believe that it is a waste because all the countries around us have MIG-29 and F-16 with semi-active misiles (to 10 miles up to 40 miles range). on the moder world I think that dog-fight is out, instead of the "fire and forget" doctrine. What do you think?
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 905 times:
BVR is nice, but once the silver bullets are gone the opposition will still have aircraft left.
That's when you get down and dirty and slug it out with each other. Sidewinders and guns are still needed.
Indeed the US (and the UK) forgot about that in the late 1950s and early 1960s, believing that longrange missiles were all that was needed.
Then came Vietnam where suddenly those missiles ran out before the targets did and F-4s and F-105s began falling to MiG-19s armed with 23mm guns and sometimes primitive IR AAMs.