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Colombia Mulls Purchase Of 24 Used Kfirs-Report  
User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9542 times:

Flight Global reporting:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...n-deal-for-24-ex-israeli-kfir.html

Quote:
Colombia is negotiating an estimated $200 million purchase of 24 ex-Israeli air force Kfir fighters to be upgraded with new electronic systems by Israel Aerospace Industries. The aircraft would replace Colombia's ageing fleet of 12 Kfirs and 12 Dassault Mirage 5COAs.




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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

This is very good news for Columbia and IAI. The Kfir is still a very potent fighter.

User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9522 times:

Agreed and $200 mil looks to be quite a bargain. What were the French trying to sell? Rafales or more Mirages?


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9482 times:

Hmmn, the plot thickens. Maybe the French bid was rejected because they were also trying to make a deal with Venezuela?

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This gives me an idea. Since Colombia wants to replace their Mirage 5s and seems to be on good terms with Washington, while Venezuela has a hard time getting spares for its Falcons but appears to have a working relationship with France - why don't they exchange fighters?  Smile It might ease tension between them and pave the way for reunification.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineWvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

Just was curious has the US offered them any used F-16's? or F-18's. there should be plenty in storage.

User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9382 times:



Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 4):
Just was curious has the US offered them any used F-16's? or F-18's. there should be plenty in storage.

Even if they did, $200M for 24 aircraft is a great deal. Then there's the fact that many Columbian pilots are already qualified to fly the Kfir.



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9279 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 3):
Hmmn, the plot thickens. Maybe the French bid was rejected because they were also trying to make a deal with Venezuela?

Colombia has hard time getting new french weapons due to Human Rights issues.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 3):
why don't they exchange fighters?

When it starts snowing in hell. Big grin

Quoting Wvsuperhornet (Reply 4):
Just was curious has the US offered them any used F-16's?

Colombia has asked for F-16's several times but, believe it or not, the US flipped them off.
Why?. Depends on who you ask. Some say political reasons, others say that Colombia wanted new-builts Block 50 at way-to-cheap prices, etc.

Though this purchase was made because of a lack of funds to buy anything better. Of any origin.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Then there's the fact that many Columbian pilots are already qualified to fly the Kfir.

Considering that this would actually be the first colombian fighter equiped with an actual pulse-doppler radar, among other new capabilities they never had before. It won't be as easy.
AKeep in mind that Colombia hasn't even gotten their first Turbofan-equipped jet, and that they got their first AAM's ever in 1997, in the shape of Python 3's.


User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9225 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 6):
Colombia has hard time getting new french weapons due to Human Rights issues.

since when did that stop France from selling arms?


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

At least the Columbians will be able to get parts if any embargo happens, Israel and any other suppliers for the J-79 engine the Kfir has will be easy to aquire parts. The Iranians seem to have no proplems getting parts for their J-79 equipped F-4's and their J-85 equipped F-5's


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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9196 times:



Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 7):
since when did that stop France from selling arms?


Well, with Colombia it has in the past. Besides, french stuff is not cheap either.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9159 times:



Quoting Acheron (Reply 6):
Colombia has hard time getting new french weapons due to Human Rights issues.



Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 7):
since when did that stop France from selling arms?

That's right. France has sold to Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Venisalia in the past.

France considers the US to have "human rights" issues, but has sold about 2000 CFM-56 engines for USAF KC-135s and USN E-6s. This doesn't count the thousands of CFM-56s used on Boeing B-737NGs.

Columbia can get what ever they want from France. All they have to do is be willing to pay the French asking price.


User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9131 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
That's right. France has sold to Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Venisalia in the past.

with the exception of Syria, so did the US  Smile


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9104 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Columbia can get what ever they want from France. All they have to do is be willing to pay the French asking price.

Of course. Problem is, the US congress will see that as "wait, they have enough money to afford brand new french fighers. So, why should we keep sending them money and support?" and would mean the end of the Colombia Plan and the Colombian goverment is too happy receiving US' Tax-payers' money to let it go just like that.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

It now appears that the deal between Colombia and Israel has an additional component.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...lombia-with-boeing-767-tanker.html

Quote:
"The Colombian air force is to receive a secondhand Boeing 767-300 converted for tanker and VIP transport duties by Israel Aerospace Industries. The deal will build on a recent contract worth $230 million, under which the company will also supply Colombia with 24 ex-Israeli air force Kfir fighters and upgrade some of its existing inventory of the type. Israeli sources say the 767 will be equipped with a hose and drogue refuelling system."

That would boost the Kfirs' range significantly.



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7421 times:

Update:

First upgraded Colombian Kfirs delivered.....


http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=29662

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...colombias-first-upgraded-kfir.html

Quote:
"Israel Aerospace Industries has delivered the first upgraded Kfir fighters to the Colombian air force.

[.....]

Upgrade activities include equipping the aircraft with new avionics, an EL/M-2032 fire control radar from IAI subsidiary Elta Systems, and a new electronic warfare suite. The modified aircraft will be designated as Kfir C-10s or C-12s, depending on their equipment fit."


Those will improve the FAC's airpower substantially.



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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

How would these updated Kfir's compare to the SU's that Venezuela recently acquired?


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7210 times:

No match. Although they don't seem to be looking for a confrontation with Tio Hugo. Just taking care that nobody else interferes with their business.


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6536 times:



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 14):
Those will improve the FAC's airpower substantially.

It appears I had spoken too soon.....  embarrassed 

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...r-fighter-in-runway-overshoot.html

Quote:
"Believed to be from an initial batch of ex-Israeli air force Kfirs that have been modernised for Colombia by Israel Aerospace Industries, aircraft FAC-3004 suffered major damage after crossing a road and coming to rest against large rocks.

The two-seat trainer's starboard wing was severed in the incident, with its airframe also suffering further substantial damage in a resulting fire."



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6515 times:

The Colombians Kfir haven't been fitted with the EL/M-2032 radar. They still keep the previous radar.

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