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Boeing Predicts Good Year For C-17  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10956 times:

A Boeing official said that the "at risk" C-17 would have a good year this year, with top-up purchases by the UK and US, as well as a first order from NATO and also from another "undisclosed nation". Wonder what that might be? Israel? Japan? S Korea? Saudi Arabia?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ts-good-year-for-at-risk-c-17.html

Good to see there's life in the big quad yet ...

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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10908 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Wonder what that might be?

France.  duck 



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10897 times:



Quoting Lumberton (Reply 1):
France.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Israeli Air Force bought a small fleet of them. I fully expect the U.S. Air Force to order 20+.
NATO surely needs the C-17's strategic airlift capability.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10892 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Israel? Japan? S Korea? Saudi Arabia?

Out of the ones you've mentioned, Japan has been mentioned as having a real interest. All of the UKUSA countries (except NZ) already have the C-17.



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10798 times:

It's possible Germany could go for 2, I don't believe they are part of the NATO consortium. An outside chance Canada would order a 5th, esp. if Afghani ops continue until end 2011 or later, as now seems likely.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10650 times:

I thought Norway was interested in the C-17, too.

Keesje, any truth to the rumor EADS/Airbus is secretly buying 15 BC-17s to move A-400M parts around?


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10564 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
and also from another "undisclosed nation

Although it is doubtful I hope it is Germany !! The A400M is delayed and the C160s getting worn out more and more.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
I thought Norway was interested in the C-17, too.

I think it was Sweden shortyl after the big Tsunami.



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10559 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
think it was Sweden shortyl after the big Tsunami.

Correct,Sweden has, i belive the oldest Herks still flying today  Yeah sure . To present day a dont know what will replace the herks.... C-17 is a bit much for us i think,but it would be nice. I would love 4-5 A400 and a couple of C-17 Big grin



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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10515 times:



Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 2):
I wouldn't be surprised if the Israeli Air Force bought a small fleet of them

but what would they do with it? they don't go global and their area of operation is quite small.


User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10349 times:

Here's the link on Aviation Week:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

Apparently they said a country, not an organization - that woud rule out NATO or the UN.

In any case, there's good reason to believe it'll be a good year - with the cancelling of the modernization program for the C-5A's, the only alternative left is to buy more C-17s.


User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10343 times:



Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 8):
but what would they do with it? they don't go global and their area of operation is quite small.

I dunno, I didn't say they would, but I said I wouldn't be surprised. They seem to take all the best available. Your points are valid and I was thinking the same thing when I posted.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10334 times:

Didn't they just lay off 1-200 workers off the C17 line ? Hardly what someone would do if they were expecting a good year.


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10251 times:



Quoting R2rho (Reply 9):
In any case, there's good reason to believe it'll be a good year - with the cancelling of the modernization program for the C-5A's, the only alternative left is to buy more C-17s.

This report doesn't paint a very reassuring picture.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...EX8AAAEAAFQ7lQEAAAAM&modele=jdc_34

Pentagon Report Rebukes Air Force Demands for More C-17s; More C-17s are "Unaffordable," Unnecessary

(Source: Project On Government Oversight; issued Feb. 21, 2008)

Quote:
"WASHINGTON, D.C. --- The Department of Defense rebuked Air Force demands for more C-17 cargo planes in favor of upgrading C-5s, according to a February 14, 2008, Pentagon letter and supporting documentation to Congress obtained by POGO and made publicly available for the first time.

According to the letter from John Young, Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition, to various congressional committees: 'the Department reviewed several options for procuring additional C-17 aircraft and rejected those options as not meeting requirements and more costly to the taxpayer. Further, the higher costs of options procuring additional C-17s are unaffordable in the Future Years Defense Program.' The Air Force wants more than the 198 C-17s total they are currently projected to have."



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User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10213 times:



Quoting R2rho (Reply 9):
In any case, there's good reason to believe it'll be a good year - with the cancelling of the modernization program for the C-5A's, the only alternative left is to buy more C-17s.

Not according to the Lockheed Martin

Lockheed Martin expects to complete the Avionics Modernization Program upgrades to the C-5B fleet around November and move directly into adding the same digital cockpits to the C-5A fleet, a senior company official said Thursday. At an anticipated rate of modifying 14 aircraft per year, AMP work on USAF's 59 C-5As-and thus all of its 111 Galaxies-should conclude in 2012, Jim Grant, Lockheed Martin VP for air mobility and special operations programs, told reporters at AFA's Air Warfare Symposium in Orlando. The AMP upgrades may well be the last major improvements to the C-5As, the oldest of the Galaxy airlifters, since Pentagon acquisition chief John Young on Feb. 14 removed them from consideration for the more expansive Reliability Enhancement and Re-engining Program upgrades that the remaining 47 C-5Bs and two C-5Cs in the fleet will still receive. The AMP'ed C-5As will be able to operate in more-efficient Global Air Traffic Management airspace, further increasing their efficiency, Grant said. Nonetheless, he said, there will remain "quite a bit" of a capability difference between the upgraded C-5As and those fully modernized C-5s that will have both the AMP and RERP features. The Air Force already has three C-5s, designated C-5M Super Galaxies, in this configuration and undergoing testing. Grant said the new engines added under RERP are more powerful and more fuel efficient than the aircraft's existing powerplants. Lockheed expects to enter into contract discussions for the RERP later this year. Work on these modifications will ramp up slowly before eventually reaching a peak conversion rate of 11 aircraft per year, with the RERP wrapping up notionally around 2016, Grant said.



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10207 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 4):
It's possible Germany could go for 2, I don't believe they are part of the NATO consortium. An outside chance Canada would order a 5th, esp. if Afghani ops continue until end 2011 or later, as now seems likely.

Was also reading elsewhere that the RAF are now looking at 2 more C-17s, to make a total of 8.

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 7):
Correct,Sweden has, i belive the oldest Herks still flying today Yeah sure . To present day a dont know what will replace the herks.... C-17 is a bit much for us i think,but it would be nice. I would love 4-5 A400 and a couple of C-17 Big grin

I thought CF had that dubious honour, as LockMart people come to them for tips on mx. I believe there are still some late 60s-vintage E-birds still flying for the CF, with over 40,000 hours.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10138 times:



Quoting R2rho (Reply 9):
Apparently they said a country, not an organization - that woud rule out NATO or the UN.

Does the UN even have own aircraft ? I don´t think so.

I doubt that it is Germany since the order of the aircraft had to be passed by the parliament and the Ministry of Defence could not secretly place an order, still it would be nice.



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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10129 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if "super" Sarko from France placed an order.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10122 times:



Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 16):
I wouldn't be surprised if "super" Sarko from France placed an order.

Me neither. Does anybody know about French law ? Is it possible for the Goverment to secretly place an order for an aircraft without having to ask the parliaments permission ?



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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10111 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
Me neither. Does anybody know about French law ? Is it possible for the Goverment to secretly place an order for an aircraft without having to ask the parliaments permission ?

I think the French government has a lot more power than in other European countries


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10101 times:

There was talk/rumours about half a year ago that the RNLAF was looking at C-17s. With the amount of overseas deployments we could surely use some heavy lifters. The RNLAF hires a lot of Il-76s. I think Eindhoven gets two or three per week these days. When the deployment in Afghanistan started the number of Ilyushins and Antonovs chartered was even higher. At some point even two a day!


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User currently offlineF27Friendship From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10089 times:



Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 19):
There was talk/rumours about half a year ago that the RNLAF was looking at C-17s. With the amount of overseas deployments we could surely use some heavy lifters. The RNLAF hires a lot of Il-76s. I think Eindhoven gets two or three per week these days. When the deployment in Afghanistan started the number of Ilyushins and Antonovs chartered was even higher. At some point even two a day!

that's correct and I remeber talking to several RNLAF officers about it. Nevertheless, if it is the Netherlands, it would have been made public.

I don't believe that in times where budgets are very tight, the RNLAF will buy 3 of these beasts.


User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

France and Germany tried to stall the joint NATO C-17 purchase... why would they now get them? They are too afraid that the C-17 could kill the A400M (rather than seeing it as complementary, like the UK). There is no chance that could happen. Even if the aircraft would be perfect for them.

The Italians? They do like to buy American aircraft. But with the current political instabilty that's very unlikely.

Japan would be politically a candidate, but they don't have troops deployed in distant locations. Same with Israel.

This really makes me wonder...  scratchchin 

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 13):
Not according to the Lockheed Martin

Well, we'll have to see about that...
Usaf Cancels C-5 Re-Engine, More C-17s Coming? (by USAF336TFS Feb 15 2008 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)


User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10071 times:



Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 19):



Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 20):

Let's start a petition to go for a joined purchase of some C17's for the FAB/Blu and the RNLAF , 6 would be just about right IMHO, we can station them at Eindhoven AB (close to Kleine Brogel and the Belgian border and all infrastructure already present) and start up a partnered transport wing.
We already do it for the Naval forces so why not team-up on this issue too?
We could both certainly use it to support all missions going on in Africa, Lebanon, Afghanistan and who knows what else in the future.
Doesn't make sense (maybe purely financially it does) to throw so much money to private companies while we need a military transport fleet anyway.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10042 times:



Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 20):
I don't believe that in times where budgets are very tight, the RNLAF will buy 3 of these beasts.

Well gee, where is all that money I spend on Grolsch going to?

And when is the RNLAF's third DC-10F (not KDC) coming online, it's been getting upgraded for a few years now.



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10023 times:



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 23):
And when is the RNLAF's third DC-10F (not KDC) coming online, it's been getting upgraded for a few years now.

It arrived back at EIN about half a year or a year ago following a D-check in Italy. Not much later it went away again for further modifications: a modernised cockpit,strengthened cargo-floor and provisions for rapid change between cargo and passenger configuration. The KDC-10s should get the same treatment once the DC-10 is finished.



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25 FlagshipAZ : I heard not too long ago, that LGB is building 10 whitetails C-17s, in case late orders come in after the assembly line is in the shutdown mode. Eithe
26 F27Friendship : good idea! However I think that 4 is the max (at least from the Dutch point of view). Belgium always has spent a great emphasis on airlift for humani
27 PH-BFA : In todays Telegraaf (dutch newspaper) : Hij zei blij te zijn met de steun van de Kamer voor de uitbreiding van de luchtvloot met een nieuw toestel, de
28 Post contains links F27Friendship : w00t! that is news! way to go RNLAF! EDIT: I just found this article from september. It refers to the Dutch ministry wanting to join in the pool of NA
29 Columba : Congratulations good news !!!
30 Pnwtraveler : Canada has just ordered the Herc J finally. I would be pretty shocked if they ordered a 5th C17. The budget just included a new Ice Breaker for the no
31 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : If that happened, could some of our French friends please go check on Keesje? I would be very concerned about his health and heart if he ever saw a C
32 N328KF : The French have already shown that they are willing to buy US aircraft when no French equivalent is available. Look at the E-2 and E-3, for example.
33 Post contains links Ulfinator : Maybe Japan. They learned how to load their CH-47Js onto a C-17 recently http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123087945
34 Post contains images Bingo : It seems almost weekly that I see them loading HMX-1 birds into the C-17s at KNYG. Its pretty impressive to see them pack those birds full and then f
35 F27Friendship : I think you are mixing up France with Italy (when concerning the reverse jokes) France doesn't have any problems with deploying combat troops anywher
36 Caspritz78 : Won't be Germany. We are stuck with the A400M and even if we were not I don't think the C-17 would be the right plane for the German Air Force.
37 TSV : The RAAF should order two more to make an even half dozen.
38 TheSonntag : Actually, I would love us to buy some. In fact, a shared EU procurement by EU member states, while completely impossible, would be the best option.
39 Kaitak : I'm sure the Australian defence ministry would have better ways to spend US$400m! Doesn't it have to replace some of its older Herks as well?
40 TSV : What for two more? Where did you get that figure? What the "H" models? I would think they've got a bit to go yet. I would say that a Caribou replacem
41 F27Friendship : ah, the imperial system, it must be exhausting to think in dozens all the time?
42 Kaitak : Australia has received its fourth and last C-17. The squadron has been operating since last year and full operational status should be reached by 2011
43 Post contains images SAS A340 : Sweden and Finland have with some other NATO nation's bought 3 C-17. Sweden will be the second largest contributor to to this deal and are expected to
44 Post contains links Mastodont : News from mil.se, unfortunately only in swedish so far. http://www2.mil.se/sv/Nyheter/Nyhete...slut-om-strategiskt-transportflyg/
45 Post contains links Mastodont : These are the participating countries and their reported need of flight hours. USA 1 000 h/year Sweden 550 h/year The Netherlands 500 h/year Norway 40
46 Texl1649 : Would it have been conceivable to have thrown a giant gas tank in a C-17 and a boom system out the back (and drogue for the wingtips) to have offered
47 Zeke : Yes it would, but they would be about double the cost of KC-767/KC-30, and would not have the range of them.
48 F27Friendship : why does the US need 1000 flying hours on these 3 nato frames while they already have almost 200 frames themselves?!
49 Jackonicko : The C-17 is the most obvious example I can point to if anyone accuses me of being biased towards Airbus, or anti-American. And though it's not a Boein
50 Scouseflyer : So when's the drop-dead date for line - ie when does the backlog get so short that long lead parts are not being ordered in and satisfying more orders
51 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Here's one in English..... http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...a38AAAEAAAzBuc4AAAAr&modele=jdc_34 Swedish Participation In Air Transport Cooperati
52 TSV : And if I had of written "three more to make a lucky total of seven." you would have written ..... ?
53 Post contains images F27Friendship : probably nothing it's just the persistence of the anglo-saxon world (including the US) to keep on using exotic units like slough/feet makes no engine
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